Since nobody seems happy with the Xbox...

thanks for pointing that out Ryu. I did have some doubts when I listed it as one of the exclusives... Anyway. Good news for Xbox users then. TS was one fine game and I expect the second part to be too.

Originally posted by BizioEE


RL is a very good game but it has slow down too !

Hmmmmmmmm........strange how no one mention this.  RL2 has framerate drops as well.

Originally posted by rastalant
Hmmmmmmmm........strange how no one mention this.  RL2 has framerate drops as well.

I\'ve heard that too.  RL has some bad slowdown on some levels.

It all depends on what\'s happening on-screen that really messes with some games.  Take MGS2 for example: The game runs like a dream until way too much crap starts happening like the exploding barrels in the lower A strut when you\'re fighting Fortune.  The whole area is practically in flames and the slow down is just terrible.  In Rogue Squadron 2, it\'s no different.  During the Strike at the Core mission, just at the start with the high geometry in the level with the numerous ships and high polygons models in such high proximity, the level chugs along until you get rid of some of those ships or speed up past a certain section.  Hardware has gotten better no doubt, but that doesn\'t mean developers can make 100% perfect games.  Name the last game any of you played that was absolutely perfect in everyway.  My vote goes to Pong and Tetris.

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Originally posted by Ryu
 My vote goes to Pong and Tetris.

You forgot Pac-Man...

*picks up copy of Galaga*

I\'d rather have that then Pac-Man, even though Ginko claims that\'s all MGS is, but in 3D.

Quoted from Seven:

1. The Getaway (2002 -> should be a blast)
2. Tomb Raider Next Generation (Tomb Raider )
3. Test Drive (will be on Xbox too)
4. Stuntman (look at those graphics)
5. Need for Speed: HP2 (Should be good fun aswell)
6. TimeSplitters 2 (should be great, considering part 1 was awesome)
7. Tribes: Aerial Assault
8. Collin McRae Rally 3 (should be great aswell thanks to Codemasters, to bad it\'s a Ford )
9. Tekken 4 (should be a blast for the Tekken fans)
10. Wipeout Fusion (it\'s out here in Europe soon, but I guess it will be mid 2002 for US)
11. Soul Calibur 2
12. Dino Crisis 3
13. Outcast 2 (look at the graphics)
14. Primal (Europe release will be first, so I guess later in the US)

1.So you can\'t trust a game, like Bruce Lee, probably part f which because of the developer, but you are HEAVILY anticipating a game which is oft-delayed, little-shown. Hmm.
2. Tomb Raider has sucked since part 2.
3. Test Drive. Are you joking me? Played any TD6 on Dreamcast?
4. Sounds pretty cool actually.
5. NFS, overrated.
6. Timesplitters sucked, IMO. It was overrated poo with bad controls. Make it MoH controls and I shall praise them infinitely. I can see what they were trying to do, but the controls F\'ed it up.
7. Tribes, talk about XBox being a PC port system? Tribes is only fun with tons of people, hopefully PC players can play PS2 players, otherwise, I can see this game getting old, fast.
8. Colin McRae is an awesome series, no doubt. I like Sega Rally better, personally, but this is a VERY close second.
9. Tekken 4 is a joke.
10. what has changed in this series in it\'s 4 incarnations?
11. Soul Calibur was overrated trash, I have said that fro years and I still mean it. It has pretty graphics, for sure, but the gameplay is for simpletons (see: DOA3)
12. Dino Crisis 3, Resident Evil\'s bastard brother! It should be good, but this sequel thing is getting tired.
13. Outcast 2 - yes, look at them. Now look at Bouncer.
14. Primal? What is this game? If I have never heard of it, and I FREQUENT this board, it can\'t be too good/well known.

XBox has the same problem that PS2 has after may, a limited amount of stuff is being shown for both consoles right now. When I go to E3 this year, I will be able to decide further where my cash goes. All I need to stay heavily into buying PS2 stuff is a new Shinobi, Streets of Rage, or NiGHTS. XBox already has me with Panzer Dragoon, any more classic Sega stuff on XBox and my fate is almost sealed.



Eric Jacob

Ryu has posted good lists for both systems.  To say that either system has nothing good coming out is ludicrous.  And to say the xbox is just going to go away in the face of the huge developer support makes no sense either.

"Slightly better graphics" -- noticably to much better graphics is a better description.  Let\'s give the xbox its due, it is a graphics horse.

I still think when everything is said and done, the xbox and PS2 will have userbases of comparable sizes.  PS2 will probably always lead, but it will come to the point where both userbases are so large it ceases to be a viable point of conversation.

How many pointless and tired topics like this one need to be on the first page?

Originally posted by AlteredBeast
Quoted from Seven:

1. The Getaway (2002 -> should be a blast)
2. Tomb Raider Next Generation (Tomb Raider )
3. Test Drive (will be on Xbox too)
4. Stuntman (look at those graphics)
5. Need for Speed: HP2 (Should be good fun aswell)
6. TimeSplitters 2 (should be great, considering part 1 was awesome)
7. Tribes: Aerial Assault
8. Collin McRae Rally 3 (should be great aswell thanks to Codemasters, to bad it\'s a Ford )
9. Tekken 4 (should be a blast for the Tekken fans)
10. Wipeout Fusion (it\'s out here in Europe soon, but I guess it will be mid 2002 for US)
11. Soul Calibur 2
12. Dino Crisis 3
13. Outcast 2 (look at the graphics)
14. Primal (Europe release will be first, so I guess later in the US)

1.So you can\'t trust a game, like Bruce Lee, probably part f which because of the developer, but you are HEAVILY anticipating a game which is oft-delayed, little-shown. Hmm.
2. Tomb Raider has sucked since part 2.
3. Test Drive. Are you joking me? Played any TD6 on Dreamcast?
4. Sounds pretty cool actually.
5. NFS, overrated.
6. Timesplitters sucked, IMO. It was overrated poo with bad controls. Make it MoH controls and I shall praise them infinitely. I can see what they were trying to do, but the controls F\'ed it up.
7. Tribes, talk about XBox being a PC port system? Tribes is only fun with tons of people, hopefully PC players can play PS2 players, otherwise, I can see this game getting old, fast.
8. Colin McRae is an awesome series, no doubt. I like Sega Rally better, personally, but this is a VERY close second.
9. Tekken 4 is a joke.
10. what has changed in this series in it\'s 4 incarnations?
11. Soul Calibur was overrated trash, I have said that fro years and I still mean it. It has pretty graphics, for sure, but the gameplay is for simpletons (see: DOA3)
12. Dino Crisis 3, Resident Evil\'s bastard brother! It should be good, but this sequel thing is getting tired.
13. Outcast 2 - yes, look at them. Now look at Bouncer.
14. Primal? What is this game? If I have never heard of it, and I FREQUENT this board, it can\'t be too good/well known.

XBox has the same problem that PS2 has after may, a limited amount of stuff is being shown for both consoles right now. When I go to E3 this year, I will be able to decide further where my cash goes. All I need to stay heavily into buying PS2 stuff is a new Shinobi, Streets of Rage, or NiGHTS. XBox already has me with Panzer Dragoon, any more classic Sega stuff on XBox and my fate is almost sealed.



Eric Jacob

Now Altered, that\'s your personal opinion then. I could do the exact same for Xbox\'s 2002 lineup aswell, which makes your point worthless. The games I\'ve listed interest me for one, and I am sure other people aswell. And if you would like to compare a Bruce-Lee game with a GTA style game with realism sheer incredible (city of london, in-game), then go ahead. I am not saying it will be good, but if they handle it well and do it right, it could be a blast.

And Wipeout Fusion; I\'ve been playing it the last couple of days, and anyone who enjoyed Wipeout, get excited about this one, because this one is big. Some nice online-mode, I-Link, sweet graphics, and adrenaline to die for.

Name the last game any of you played that was absolutely perfect in everyway. My vote goes to Pong and Tetris.

I don\'t suppose any of you played a little known game called Death Tank.

It was an Atari 2600-looking game, hidden in the Saturn version of Powerslave.

Incredibly addicting and 6 players.

:fro: :fro: :fro:

Originally posted by AlteredBeast
But they have the best games on them for the generation they are in

Eric Jacob

Don\'t forget in your opinion

Oh, and can anybody enlighten me on why the MoH controls are so good, I thought they were the worst controls I ever used on a FPS

They were intuitive, pick-up-and-play, everything was within finger reach without moving your hand, etc.

All Hail MoH!


Eric Jacob

Originally posted by mm
nah, i wont ban the kid.  hes harmless

he likes to project his "console insecurities" on others

You rip on the Xbox every chance you get and I\'m the one with "console insecurities"?  I see how that works, oh great Kommunist one!  PS2 has been out for a year, it costs the same as Xbox, and it has more games.  Now if I were insecure about the Xbox, why couldn\'t I just buy a PS2?  Maybe I don\'t want one.  What a revelation, don\'t you think?

ill keep him around so we have entertainment.  someone to ridicule and be thankful that we\'re no xbox sheep like him

Well the feeling is mutual.  It\'s entertaining just to see the rest of your fellow hookers look up to you just because you\'re the board administrator when obviously your comments are the most ignorant and uneducated statements that have ever graced a message board.

people like him, and trintius and so many others hate us and this forum, because we\'re a "multi-console" environment.  they get angry because this isnt like the IGN.com forums where they can just say " PS2 SUXORS!" and get "F*** YOU" responses.

If I hated this forum I wouldn\'t be here and I have no "hate" for people I don\'t know.  It\'s not like me.  But it\'s just that I won\'t allow your ignorant and biased anti-Xbox comments go unchallenged just because you\'re the admin.  There\'s nothing multi-console about you.  You\'re a grade A, unadulterated Sony whore, plain and simple.  I suggest you get Sony\'s nuts out of your ass.

they fail to realize that since im an admin, that doesnt mean that i have to not like every console but ps2, :rolleyes:

Well, MM, you sure fooled the hell out of me.

hes been sippin on the gater-hate
directxbox = wanna be gamer

simple enough

I\'ll reiterate: I don\'t "hate" systems, games or gamers, however, I\'m never one to stay silent when biased sons-of-*****es like yourself make uneducated comments.

ur a retard. Just don\'t say anything for a while and they might take that pic off.

even in silence, he would be rendered a fool, and a child

the picture and title fit him well, so they remain

DirectXbox, this is a PS2 forum, you expect people to not bash the xbox?  My #1 goal here has been to keep ignorance in check.  Do you see any "PS2 RULEZ, XBOX SUXORS!".  no, i didnt think so. the veteran members here are very intelligent and strong backed, except when they argue with me that shenmue isnt the greastest game of all time, but thats besides the point. i let them control themselves.   god forbid i go to the xbox forums, i would be blinded on sight from the sea of brainlessness.

anyways, use me as yer "insecurity punching bag" all you want.  im glad you realize tho that yer fight is not with me but elsewhere.  saves you embarrisment and time.  perhaps the IGN PS2 forums would better suit yer mentality.
If the xbox is so special, why spend time here and not cuddling with it?  i know i\'ll get mine for a fraction of the price.  no way im handing over 400+ to play some ports.  ouch