Now I feel very good knowing GC and X-box never will catch up to Sony.

Originally posted by Ace


Give that man a cigar.

Ace

:thepimp: I figured thats what you meant :thepimp:

Originally posted by Heretic


Bull$hit. Video console wise Nintendo was on there knees after the last round. How did we all lose?

What Nintendo on their knees ?

thats like a Virtual Wet Dream for MM .

sorry low blow

I\'m with Ace on this one ya know

i mean come on if consoles destroy each other and one is left then it causes a lot of angry gamers - look at the nintendo fanboys - they area  crude crowd because of how they got screwed over with N64 - see there ya go

the only reason i see fit to worry about console sales is because someone invested 300 dollars into a console machine and they want their investment to be a good one so they are happy when it sales

People bash the 64 too hard. It was a great system I thought. It had some great games that go on my top 20 all time. I liked the 64.

ehhe, i already got nintendo where i want them

Nintendo\'s biggest accomplishment... Virtual Boy

j/k

Seriously though, Sony, MS, and Nintendo all have solid lineups for 2002.  I have owned a PS2 since day one, and have not had an argument over games.  The launch line wasn\'t the greatest, but it offered variety.  Personally, with the system, no problems thus far.  ::knocks on wood::

Microsoft on the other hand, well that\'s just a sore spot for me.  I\'ll be honest, I do not like MS.  That can\'t take away from the fact though that they are a very competitive company.  If you don\'t have halo and you have an X-box your well... different.  MS put all there effort into one game, but none the less, it has some fine games.

Reason I didn\'t buy X-box:  Not because I dislike them.  Not because I already had PS2.  But because they pretty much offer the same games that PS2 has.

Nitendo has taken a different approach.  Leaning more towards their own games(bad in some cases, as in N64).  But Nintendo\'s lineup is solid.  Japan has gone crazy over SSB, and already has become nintendo\'s best game.  Add RE into the mix and you\'ve got some good quality games.  I\'ve owned a GC since yesterday, my parents got it for me for my birthday, but they only had indigo, so I\'m gonna exchange it for black tomorrow.  DAMN NINTENDO and their gay pride!

Anyway, that\'s my take on the matter, batter me if you must, survive if you can!

Originally posted by "The One" Billy Gunn
I\'ve owned a GC since yesterday, my parents got it for me for my birthday, but they only had indigo, so I\'m gonna exchange it for black tomorrow.  DAMN NINTENDO and their gay pride!

Actually Indigo/Purple is the color of, "royalty" But black is tons better. What games did you get?

SEEING how your not the president of sony why would you even care?

Originally posted by QuDDus
SEEING how your not the president of sony why would you even care?

Ermm he Visits a PLAYSTATION  FORUM ! CORSE HE CARES !

Duuuuuhhhhhhhhhhhhh !!!!!!!!!


So it may shock to to know that People who have baught a PS2 and play and enjoy it, would like to feal that the future of the console is SAfe.

But then again thats the same with any onsole owner where they support PS2, X Box  or GAMECUBE.

Now sit in the coner with the big pointy had with the large letter D on it !

Well, I\'ve had pretty much most of the major consoles available and the one brand I really liked was Sega, although I will never find out why.

I still don\'t have a PS2, however, I\'ll soon buy one because its hot as hell, and I still own 2 dreamcasts! I don\'t care if XBox sells good, in fact, I WANT it to sell good so it will continue to exist and many titles will be released. Then maybe I will buy one at some point.

Some people act like they own shares in the companies but I really understand you, because I know you really love your consoles and you have a very nice time playing with them. For some reason I feel the same with the Dreamcast (GREAT machine, even now) and I was very sorry they ceased production.



But let me tell you, the PS2 has been enjoying higher sales during Xmas compared to the Xbox and the GameCube, but lets not forget that Europe and Asia have yet to see the Xbox..

Something tells me that in one year from now the Xbox will be selling MORE units than the PS2..
And before you Sony fans start flaming me.... LETS JUST WAIT AND SEE!!


I\'m an economist and I think I know enough stuff to make a successful prediction like that...

Oh, and don\'t give me that DVD-ready crap... Do you really think that if someone\'s has 300 pounds to spare for an Xbox, he\'ll choose the PS2 because he\'ll have to pay how much, 20 more pounds for the dvd control??
Its like paying 15000 for a new car without giving another 700 for an A/C.....

While I too will say wait and see, I doubt many people give a flying **** about your predictions whether or not you\'re and economist. I\'ve heard many so-called economist predict that this recession will be over soon, others believe that it will go on for a while. And others who quite frankly, don\'t have a clue when the economy will recover. What does this tell me? Can\'t exactly trust economist now can we?

Seriously, most PS2 fans could care less about the DVD function since most people who bought the PS2 in the US (and I\'m guessing you\'re from the UK since you mentions pounds) bought it for the games. DVD playback is a nice extra, I doubt many PS2 fans will bring that up to debate whether or not Xbox will catch on and outsell the PS2. So, when it comes to games, the PS2 has plenty while the Xbox is a wait and see on that issue. Not to mention, the PS2 is still outselling the Xbox in the US despite being at the original price of $300 US dollars which is the same price as the PS2 $300. If the Xbox is 300 pounds in the UK where the PS2 is now 200 pounds, and the PS2 still has plenty of great games coming, I don\'t see the Xbox outselling the PS2 in the UK anytime soon either. And Japan...hehehhe...lets see they even accept the American made system first (BTW, the PS2 also recieved a price drop here already as well).

Nikos

One thing you fail to remember is it is SOny who has the market share now which translates into more 3rd party support later

and it is Sony who has sold over 20 million units and will be able to offer a significant price break

I don\'t see Xbox selling more in the near future, but I do see Xbox maintaining a strong success which is great cause now Sony has to be even sharper

Hey, what kind of recession are you talking about? An economist can not predict when Bin Laden will hijack the planes now, can he?

The world economy would be in a much better place today weren\'t it for the recent wars like Kosovo (how much of it did you really watch over there in the states?) and Afganistan. The economic consequencies of those actions have STILL a very strong impact which you and me can not tell.

When Virgin Atlantic stops ALL flights in europe, you think only Virgin loses? Think again!
I\'m not telling you to trust me or whoever can just go to a uni and study economics, BUT you will see that in ONE year from now, the Xbox will probably achieve higher sales than the playstation2.


You know Bill Gates, he won\'t rest until he makes the XBox #1 console in the world, and the connections that he has with gaming companies and the like are tremendous.

Surely, gaming companies will carry on making games only for the PS2, and only for the Xbox as well as for both of them.

But lets face it, the early Ps2 games weren\'t what we can say " a breakthrough" and only now they start making really impressive games. I think we both agree on that.

I believe the same will happen to the xbox as well, in the following months we will see many much better looking games than the PS2, simply because the Xbox has MUCH BETTER Specs!

Its up to the developers to make a game that takes advantage of the capabilities of the Xbox, but IF they do, the games will have a better look. I can not say how enjoyable they will be, because this has nothing to do with the console. I still enjoy playing Tetris on my gameboy and its great fun! (maybe not tetris itself, but I think you know what I mean)


I hate M$ and Gates, but this is not personal.
Nintendo and Sega used to be the kings of consoles, and OUT OF THE BLUE, one fine day SONY (who??? SONY, who was only making electronics at that time, a NO ONE in gaming industry) came up with the PSX.

The rest of the story, you know. I\'m not saying Xbox is the next "SONY" who will crush the "ex-Nintendo" (sony), but I\'m trying to show you that REACHING THE TOP IS EASY. The hard part is remaining there.

Sony did a fine job defending their position when DC came out.
If they will be able to do the same now that they have the BEAST called M$ behind their back, is something that only time will tell!


Till then, how about a match of NBA 2002??!!

ddaryl

when a company produces 5 products, they don\'t care if ALL of them sell like hot cakes, as long as the overall project is profitable.

What I mean is that if M$ sees that the Xbox is not selling much because of the price, trust me, they will reduce it. Or perhaps they will ship the console with some games included, dvd controler or whatever.

They have the financial support they need, because M$, as well as Sony are a colossus in world business.

If they sell for example 10 million Xboxes at 300 pounds, thats 300.000.000 profit.
However, they will see that by decreasing the price at for example 200, they will have a boost of sales of 50%.
Clearly, the price drop was 33%, and the boost of sales 50%.

So they are actually making MORE than before. This is why companies reduce the price on the consoles, because they know that they won;t sell the product so much if they keep them steady, because of the competition.

I remember in my country (Greece, although I;m in the UK now) the Playstation used to cost something like 500 pounds in its early days!! The mega drive used to cost 150 pounds at that time.

Do you honestly believe that Sony could EVER establish the PSX as the king of consoles for the years to come, if it werent to drop the price? It would be insanity!

What I want to say is that if Sony reduces the price of the PS2, after a while M$ will do the same. And by that time, more and more games developers will make games for the XBox.



I really hope all three consoles do well, so that this fierce competition will be good for us, the consumers.

I still say that new games are VERY VERY expensive though, which makes the actuall price of the console just a percentage of the total cost of the "machine" if you add 10-13 games......

I still don\'t see how you can say with certainty that the Xbox will outsell the PS2. Now, I don\'t know the future, and you could be right, that the Xbox will outsell the PS2. But in your post...

You know Bill Gates, he won\'t rest until he makes the XBox #1 console in the world, and the connections that he has with gaming companies and the like are tremendous.

And Sony is just going to allow Bill Gates to make the Xbox number 1? Which, the sentance about him and the connection witht he gaming company as tremendous? This is debatable. Maybe in the PC world where most of the "bought" companies were (talking about the companies that MS bought that became their first party line. Bungie, Oddworld [though their most famous game was on the PSX, I believe they were mostly a PC developer though], etc.) and companies that they have deals with for exclusive games, but in the console gaming industry (where most of the developers...well, many of the big developers at least...are Japanese. I don\'t see the link between them and Bill Gates). That said, MS does have a lot of support from developers when it comes to the Xbox, but still, not to the point of Sony. And with the exception of a few (like Temco. But really, even they are still supporting the PS2) most will stay on the PS2, and at most, port a game to the Xbox. And you shouldn\'t forget Nintendo Gamecube. While they do not have the support of either the PS2 or Xbox, they are certainly friendly with the Capcom since they have Resident Evil exclusively and the GC is selling like hot cakes in Japan thanks to SSB:M. While this doesn\'t mean anything to us here in the states (where the Xbox and GC are selling neck and neck, with if the reports are to be believed, the Xbox is selling more), in Japan at least, it will just make it even harder for the Xbox to take root there (you know, in Japan where most of the console developers are?).

Surely, gaming companies will carry on making games only for the PS2, and only for the Xbox as well as for both of them.

If you are saying that each systems will have exclusives from developers as well as multiplatform games, then I agree. And if anything, this just tells me not to count either system out, or either system selling better then the other and so forth.

But lets face it, the early Ps2 games weren\'t what we can say " a breakthrough" and only now they start making really impressive games. I think we both agree on that.

And this has any prevelance now because? This shows that PS2 had a slow start when it came to the games and quality. And I honestly do believe, that if the Xbox and the PS2 were to have launch at the same time, I would agree that the Xbox would not only outsell the PS2, but surpass it already and the Sony would really be in trouble! The thing is, that wasn\'t the case. The Xbox was released nearly a year after the PS2, when developers got a handle of the system (compare todays PS2 games to the launch games and you WILL see a big difference) given the advantage of the Xbox specs less prevenlent now.

I believe the same will happen to the xbox as well, in the following months we will see many much better looking games than the PS2, simply because the Xbox has MUCH BETTER Specs!

I agree to an extent. All systems require time for developers to truely get the best of the system. Some longer then others (i.e. PS2). And since the Xbox is more powerful (thanks to the time it was released. Which was a year later), yes the Xbox games will look better then PS2 games eventaully, will that matter? PS2 games look pretty much on par with Xbox games, and like the Xbox, the PS2 still has more room to grow (true, it will NEVER will have games that will look like the best Xbox game, but that DOES NOT mean that PS2 games won\'t look close to it). Also, while graphics are important in games (if it wasn\'t, we would all still be playing the SNES), it isn\'t the only thing gamers look at when deciding on a system. First, the amount of games, which the PS2 has. Second, quality. Afterall, arugably, GTA3 does not look as good as Shrek on the Xbox. Yet, to a gamer, which one would they chose? GTA3. It is not just about the graphics which is what you are assuming in this thread as to why the Xbox will overcome the PS2.

Another great example that shows that graphics are not the only thing gamers look at when buying a system, the PSX vs. N64. N64 had better graphics and is a more powerful system (afterall, why else would it keep reminding us that it is 64bits as opposed to 32 bits of the PSX?) yet most chose the PSX simply because, more games. It is all about the games, not the specs.

Its up to the developers to make a game that takes advantage of the capabilities of the Xbox, but IF they do, the games will have a better look. I can not say how enjoyable they will be, because this has nothing to do with the console. I still enjoy playing Tetris on my gameboy and its great fun! (maybe not tetris itself, but I think you know what I mean)

I agree, but what does this have to do with the Xbox selling more eventually? As I said before, the most powerful system doesn\'t always sell the most...because of the developers. If this tells me anything, don\'t count the PS2 out.