PSX2 Central...

Originally posted by Ginko


That\'s just it, Halo is out right now on Xbox and is graphically superior.  Wreckless is out right now and it\'s amazing to look at...

I don\'t think PS2 raised the bar, just pushed it like Xbox.  Like I said earlier, the games at PS2 launch weren\'t that impressive or set apart from DC.  It wasn\'t until just recently (GT3, J&D, FFX, MGS2) that the PS2 has start to show what it can do.

I see what you\'re trying to say, the time PS2 and the Xbox systems launch, it took PS2 to have amazing AAA games awile to get where it is now and the Xbox took only 3 months to have some AAA games? Is that it?  =)

NPYYZ, you got the troll picture.  Oh no!

Originally posted by mm
but you have to think in terms of time

PS2 was launched in japan when, early 2000?  shouldnt we have expected the graphics to be a little less then what we have in 2002?  we cant make excuses for the xbox.  we should expect more.  a 300$ early 2000 console vs a VERY late 300$ 2001 console?

the PS2 launch games were way past what the DC offered

SSx, Kessen, Summoner, Timesplitters, etc

DC came out in what?  Nov. 1998 in Japan and Sept. 1999 in US.  PS2 out  a year a half later with jaggies, framerate issues, etc.  What\'s PS2\'s excuse??  And like I said, it wasn\'t until a year later you saw what the PS2 was actually capable of (Devil May Cry) then a whole year and 3 months until Gran Turismo 3 and FFX...

the PS2 launch games were way past what the DC offered

Way past?  You and I both know that isn\'t true...  All the above you mentioned except SSX had framerate issues and were only average rated games at best.

Originally posted by pstwo



I see what you\'re trying to say, the time PS2 and the Xbox systems launch, it took PS2 to have amazing AAA games awile to get where it is now and the Xbox took only 3 months to have some AAA games? Is that it?  =)

NPYYZ, you got the troll picture.  Oh no!

I\'m rather trying to prove that it will take time for Xbox to outshine PS2 to the point of oblivion, just like PS2 did with DC..:P

PStwo,

I see what you\'re trying to say, the time PS2 and the Xbox systems launch, it took PS2 to have amazing AAA games awile to get where it is now and the Xbox took only 3 months to have some AAA games? Is that it? =)

Woah, woah, woah.  Are you trying to say that Wreckless was an AAA game?  Heh, going by that definition of AAA, Shrek would also be considered an AAA game.  The Xbox does have an AAA game though -- Halo.

Ginko,

DC came out in what? Nov. 1998 in Japan and Sept. 1999 in US. PS2 out a year a half later with jaggies, framerate issues, etc. What\'s PS2\'s excuse??

Sony was trying something new.  That\'s their excuse.  Without companies taking risks, this industry will not grow.  I don\'t know if Sony\'s risk will turn out to be worth while or not, but at least they are playing around with new ideas.

And like I said, it wasn\'t until a year later you saw what the PS2 was actually capable of (Devil May Cry) then a whole year and 3 months until Gran Turismo 3 and FFX...

Correction:  GT3 and FFX came before DMC.

Way past? You and I both know that isn\'t true... All the above you mentioned except SSX had framerate issues and were only average rated games at best.

Timesplitters didn\'t have framerate issues either -- smooth 60 fps even in 4 player deathmatch with 10 bots.  And who is the one who decides what games are good or not?  I loved Timesplitters.  IMO, it is the best console multiplayer FPS.  Does it matter if it got in the 8\'s from reviewers (yes, it was also rated pretty high).  Of course not.  The main thing is that I liked it (or in MM\'s case, he liked it).

Originally posted by Ginko
I\'m rather trying to prove that it will take time for Xbox to outshine PS2 to the point of oblivion, just like PS2 did with DC..:P

Just to add a little fuel to this fire, here\'s a quote from Rage Software (currently developing Crash [no, not the Bandicoot ]).

We\'ve found a few problems along the way, such as the quality of the RGB output on our development kits and the fact that the machine isn\'t as fast as Microsoft promised us it would be...

Now think about that statement logically.  If they are claiming it\'s not as fast as Microsoft said it was, wouldn\'t that mean that they have run into some problems while developing their game?  Could developers already be reaching the Xbox\'s pinnacle?  Hmmm...  It really woudn\'t be that surprising given the Xbox\'s well known architecture/familiar graphics libraries.

Originally posted by IronFist
PStwo,

Woah, woah, woah. Are you trying to say that Wreckless was an AAA game? Heh, going by that definition of AAA, Shrek would also be considered an AAA game. The Xbox does have an AAA game though -- Halo.

IMO, these Xbox games Graphically looks AAA to me.  I\'m I missing somthing here?  1st generations?  Only almost 4 months out?  








[No one on this Earth needs two pictures of Shrek. -Ryu]

well than i guess xbox kabuki warriors is an AAA game then

Uhh why does Vince Carter look like a muel? Overdone player figures? Yuk :\\

Yyyyouch, 7 pics... mods ain\'t gonna like that... Yeah, they\'re pretty \'n\' all.

Lessee:

Graphically A³ = Eyecandy
Eyecandy = Awesome to look at
Awesome to look at + lame game mechanics + myriad things that can go wrong with a game = A game that I let die on the storeshelf

Nice to look at + good game underneath = On my shelf
Great game underneath + [enter valid variable for graphics quality, ranging from \'dung\' to \'jawdropping\'] = Hawke in front of the telly/monitor more than he should be
Great game underneath + Very nice to look at = Hawke disappears from this plane of existence

From this, I deduce that "Graphically AAA" means, quite accurately, squat, in my books at least. I\'m not into gaming because of graphics. It\'s because of games. Graphics add to the experience, they don\'t make it *thoughts immediately soar to Skies of Arcadia and the beautiful scenery discovered lately* *sigh* *switches on the DC*

Originally posted by mm
well than i guess xbox kabuki warriors is an AAA game then

LOL!!!  =)

woot!  look at the bump mapping!  that game rox0rs!  

:rolleyes:


hmmmmmm, DC  

PStwo, there is no such thing as "graphically AAA."  There is only AAA, and not AAA.  If you call a game AAA because of its graphics, then just about every Xbox game would be called AAA -- which kind of defeats the purpous of distinguishing games as AAA or not AAA.  An AAA game needs good graphics, but even more importantly it needs good controls, sound, and GAMEPLAY too.

And just incase you\'re not sick of it yet, AAA AAA AAA AAA AAA.

Edit: hey, the emoticons are back on.

Originally posted by IronFist
And just incase you\'re not sick of it yet, AAA AAA AAA AAA AAA.

I\'m not sick of it, give me more!!  

I\'m not sick of it, give me more!

A phrase most xbox owners were uttering after playing their only AAA title, Halo, on their x-box and finding out that there *gasp* was nothing else left worth getting.

By popular demand, I re-edited this numbnuts post and placed the information he said (or rather drooled) back into his original post.

i like xbox but this guy is too funny.