Something I pondered...

Originally posted by luckee
Chruch on sundays is a evil plan by women to make men go to hell. Ever notice that football games and lots of other kinds of races are on sundays.

I read that in another forum..but it is sooo true

To think, this was the post that began this thread of arguments and debates that has defined many of those that participated. Some believe in "religion", some in "agnosticism", and some believe in... Ah, whoa am I trying to kid, this thread is old and should be put down like a lame horse!

We all think differently, that I have learned. I also can say that many of these people impressed me by not bashing people for what they believe. But on the other side of it, there was a lot of "richard-heads" out there that couldn’t look past there own nose to see another point of view. Well with that said, I\'m off. This thread needs to be closed before any one of our heads explodes from the amount of thinking that goes on in here. *grabs bottle of Excedrin* Man my head hurts!

Christianity focuses on the beleifs of one god. If Mormons beleive in more than one god, how can they be Christians?

Any answers?

Originally posted by Disc 2
Christianity focuses on the beleifs of one god. If Mormons beleive in more than one god, how can they be Christians?

Any answers?

Christianity focuses on Christ, not on there being only one God.  We believe in the same Chirst as almost every other Christian Church believes in.  He is the one who came down here and took upon himself the sins and sorrows of every one of God\'s children.  And he is the one who was resurrected after three days and will come again in the second coming.

we sent people to the moon, we have lasers, and DVD\'s, yet we believe fiction writen thousands of years ago. Why ?

Originally posted by Toxical
Why ?

Just in case.

-Eik

Originally posted by Eiksirf


Just in case.

-Eik

In case of what?? Either way we are dead, nothing pyshical will be able to hurt us. Mentally is a different stroy if a *afterlife* does exsist, but then again, if *GOD* forgives us all, how come some *goto hell*?

Originally posted by luckee


In case of what?? Either way we are dead, nothing pyshical will be able to hurt us. Mentally is a different stroy if a *afterlife* does exsist, but then again, if *GOD* forgives us all, how come some *goto hell*?

Nobody goes to hell, and we dont\' need to go to confession too. It\'s just some bullsh!t invented to scare us, and to make us tell our little dirty secrets to the fat bastards in the black uniforms.  And that goes to any religion, not just Christians. Religion is evil ! repent, science is the only way !:laughing:

Originally posted by Toxical


Nobody goes to hell, and we dont\' need to go to confession too. It\'s just some bullsh!t invented to scare us, and to make us tell our little dirty secrets to the fat bastards in the black uniforms.  And that goes to any religion, not just Christians. Religion is evil ! repent, science is the only way !:laughing:

thats kinda the point I was trying to get across

Wow, I am glad I avoided this thread over the past few days.

What I have found out over the past two pages:

1 People hate and fear Mormons because we believe we are the only church with the fullness of the gospel.

2 Taking things out of context could be an event in the olympics, and Troglodyte and Titan would be equally Gold medal winners.

3 Points aren\'t proven through bantering.

4 People cannot do a simple task that someone else ASSURES them will come to pass. (ie: reading the book of mormon with an open mind (something that should be easy for those of you thread read all the replies of this thread))

5 People are scared of the truth (ie: see #4)


Both IronFist and I have promised you guys something when nobody else in the thread promised you anything. Read the Book of Mormon with an open mind. It isn\'t really that hard. You can even check them out of the Library if you believe we will track you if you call us up. I hope at least that stays with you. All you guys out there have said that religion is all based on faith and there is nothing to prove to you of it\'s validity. Read the Book of Mormon with an open mind and there won\'t be a doubt in your mind about it\'s truthfulness.


Eric Jacob

I\'ve for one, years ago, read the Bible(the new and old testaments, King James, and again the old testament Law-Prophets-Writings with a hebrew translation), the book of mormon, the Doctrine and Covenants (JC church of latter-day saints), the Koran (teachings of Islam), the Tao-te-ching (The Way and it\'s Power - Chinese, taoism, living free of desire), and the Veda (Hinduism).  I tried to read them all with an open mind.

1) I still get phonecalls from the JCCoLDS, about the bible, book of mormon, and doctrine books they sent me (for free).  I get a visit every two months or so from a couple of like-aged boys who want to talk to me about my religeon (or lack thereof ....).  This leads me into point....

2)  After studying many of the worlds major religeons, I came to the following conclusion, which I have maintained for the last 4-5 years or so.  

I believe that ALL the religeons are simmilar, in that they use (untrue, mythical, or exagerated) stories to get good, strong points across.  Usually these points are about good morals, life lessons, or faith.  All of which I have, without any organized religeon, by the way.

I believe that non of the religeons have satisfactorally explained to me the role of GOD(s), or why he would choose to create us, give us free will, and not make certain things, like religeon, a clear choice.  I believe if I lead a normal, moral life, without, say, absolving of my sins (for lack of a better word) to a church, person, or God(s), I will still be good in the eyes of God(s).  If there is an afterlife (who knows?), then I believe I will reach \'heaven\' or whatever you consider the final resting place of the faithfull.

I want to make this clear, I don\'t believe in God(s), I don\'t disbelieve in God(s).  I don\'t pray, but I don\'t mind being around those who do.  I do believe that there are forces in the universe far greater than any of our comprehensions.  That is my faith.

As I said, I\'ve had long talks about this point of view with many devout people, of many faiths, but even so, I\'ve never been satisfactorally answered by any of the organized religeous practices.  As such, I doubt I can change your wourld views, and I doubt you can change mine, but I wanted to express this opinion.

[GmanJoe]

Altered Beast....I don\'t fear or hate the Mormons. Not at all. Please don\'t make those assumptions. Just coz I find your "Latter Day Saints bible" to be a bit contrived from the writings of Joseph Smith\'s belief that there was some holy-history in South America, does not mean I fear or hate mormons.

I just think it\'s a cult that got extremely popular, which by now is not quite within the definitions of cultism...but then again, Sun Young Moon is also vast yet still considered a cult, so maybe the word still applies to Mormons. And Mormons have among the highest rate of suicides, second only to Jehova\'s Witness. Utah also has the highest suicide rate, home state of the Mormons.

Some Mormons don\'t even dance. At least the ones I went to high school with. Some of you won\'t even marry others of different religions.

I don\'t hate or fear you. And I do have an open mind. Reading the Book of Mormons is too far fetched, even for a religious person like me.

i wonder how many times the phrase "open mind" has been used in this thread.

I totally agree with  FatalXception, my next endevor spiritually is to learn more about western religions, which I\'ll be doing in May at school.

Altered, I\'ve read the Book of Mormon, I\'ve prayed about it, and I still think it\'s crap.  You say "open mind," but in all truth, you have not shown at all throughout this thread that you yourself have an open mind.  Your condemnation of others is a sign of ignorance.

Nobody can be 100% sure, it\'s not humanly possible.

Why do we have to worship, our creator, is this some sick joke, I am open minded, but really can\'t we just live our lives, if we are gods people than what ever we do is mostly good, so in all religions=corruption of christianity, look at all those dirty priests.

Originally posted by GmanJoe
Just coz I find your "Latter Day Saints bible" to be a bit contrived from the writings of Joseph Smith\'s belief that there was some holy-history in South America, does not mean I fear or hate mormons.

What exactly is so contrived about it?  You said that you hadn\'t even read it, so what are you basing that assumption on?

I just think it\'s a cult that got extremely popular, which by now is not quite within the definitions of cultism...but then again, Sun Young Moon is also vast yet still considered a cult, so maybe the word still applies to Mormons.

How is the LDS church different than any other Christian church? (talking about "cults", not about beliefs).  If you were to consider the LDS church a cult, then you would have to do the same to every other church out there.

Utah also has the highest suicide rate, home state of the Mormons.

Nice try dude, but can you give us a source?  I\'ve got one, so unless your source is better than mine, what you said was BS.

http://www.iusb.edu/~jmcintos/SuicideStates.html

From the years 1990 to 1999, these are Utah\'s suicidal rankings compared to the rest of the states:

10 7 12 16 10 13 13 12 9 15

Overall, Utah is in 10th place for suicides.  That is definitely not something to be proud of, but it is far from "the highest suicide rate."  I can only imagine that the "Mormon\'s have the second highest suicide rate in the world" is not true either, but if you\'ve got the source to back it up, then go ahead and post it.

EDIT: I just want to mention that when I first searched the web for suicide information, it brought up like 5 anti-Mormon sites claiming Utah had the highest suicidal rate, and using that as an argument against the Mormons.  lol.  Gotta love the anti-Mormons.

Some Mormons don\'t even dance. At least the ones I went to high school with. Some of you won\'t even marry others of different religions.

A lot of those Mormons have good reasons not to dance.  I\'m sure that you\'ve noticed that a lot of boys go to dances with the intention of getting some action later on.  If you want to dance with them, then you will probably have to earn their trust first.

And of course we won\'t marry outside of our religion.  I\'ve got two reasons why. 1.  Most of those marriages don\'t work out, and the Mormon is usually dragged down trying to pull their spouse up.  (Not all of them of course, but most of them).  2. If they are not of the same faith, then they obviously can\'t get married in the temple for eternity.  That goes against what I would consider as one of our church\'s most important beliefs, and IMO is down right stupid to do so.