Something I pondered...

Darwin\'s theory of evolution is correct and man did evolve from monkeys, True or False?  Prove it.

That should be the end of the arguement right there.  No one can prove that it is true or that it is false, it\'s all about beliefs, but I assure you, we\'ll all know the answers once I figure out how to build a time machine.:rolleyes:

well get going on that time machine i have so mant question un answered it boggles the mind i tell ya

like how did te egyptians build the pyramids and stuff like that

there is so much unknown in the world that if i were to die thats the reason i would hope there is a heaven so i can learn about everything i ever wanted to know

see its not that i dont believe or have faith but that i have too many doubts about it - that and i always think in a scientific way i guess

Originally posted by Sublimesjg


like how did te egyptians build the pyramids and stuff like that

Didn\'t you know? It was aliens I tell you!!!

Originally posted by Alkimo



that because heavier things would sink to the bottom faster, so in the flood, it would be logical that the dino\'s corpse is beheath the human corpse/artifact.

wouldn\'t the dino float, just like the human?  like saying a 40000ton vessle would sink faster than a rock, we have to take into consideration that things will be floating.  also any artifact that was prevelant to the society would be at the very  bottom of the pile, due to it not floating, making the artifact beneath the dino, when everything eventually settled.

Originally posted by Troglodyte



To get back on topic. . .


People were going to church long before football games.  So it has nothing to do with the women, it\'s the dumb, evil men that decided to have football when they should be going to church.

In any event, you don\'t have to go to church to go to Heaven, but that\'s a thread long gone, it was a good thread, I miss it.

why do you take evry post so serious? this was nothing about how this thread turned out to be...

I goto work with 7 post\'s..and come back to five pages..WTF??

Originally posted by Sublimesjg
ok i got this thing going through my head really quick

god created man in hope of making us his perfect children - but yet we arent perfect - if he is so almighty then why did he screw up when he was creating us and if he didnt make us perfect then why does he punish us if we arent trying to be perfect and believe in him

i swear religion is like a dictatorship - its a do what i say only what i say and follow my words or else you will be sent to hell - wow sounds like a lot of great choices- let me think what im gonna choose :rolleye:

my thing is if we were created here on earth by god and all and to survive we have to kill things and eat them - ummm that doesnt sound very fair to the cow which cant even sin but yet we slaughter it and kill it and its ok with god - wow a little hyprocritical to me - kill cow not people

dont get me wrong i love my steaks - just saying religion is way too hyprocritical at times and i love how their bible isa big theory and stuff and how everything science is a big theory but at least they have reasoning behind their theories - religion just has words


note this rant was not to anyone directly - just me sharing stuff off the top of me head

God created man and gave us \'free will\', which means we can disobey Him. Sure God can create us in a way that we can\'t disobey him, but then we can\'t love Him at our own \'free will\'.

the question is what God prefers more, a bunch of robots that pleases Him all the time? or real thinking/living people who He can have a relationship with?

it\'s like whether you\'d prefer to have the sony robot dog, or a real dog. the robot dog will always do as you like, but a real dog can be a joy or a pain in the ass.

about the killing of animals:
according to the first few chapters of genesis, God didn\'t create the universe so there\'d be death, but it\'s because of our sins, which had cursed the universe forever. the first death was when kain murdered his brother.

Originally posted by Sublimesjg


and about the earth being covered by water - could the sand be taken from way under the ground under the ocean and deep into the earth where they can grind away from rock and test it - also if samples were taken from many places and tested to bring up the same results then doesnt that mean anything - sure if there was a flood such as the one noah talked about in the bible then how can you explain where all that water went if it completely covered the earth - i mean whats it gonna do evaporate and just rain back down onto the water covered earth - doesnt add up to me

Well, if you read the Bible, it says it rained non stop for forty days and forty nights. It doesnt say how long Noah was left on the ark! He sent out a raven, then a dove. Personally, I think he was still on the boat for another 30-40days AFTER it had finished raining. Also, personally, I dont think it covered the ENTIRE earth, as in, Mt Everest, because that is a MEGA lot of water (maybe it did) but I think it completely covered most continents (Alot of people beleive the seven continents were made during the flood and the broke away).

The water wouldnt have subsided compolety after 40 days, but it definately would have started. Also, the flood was an act of God. He put the water there so he could have easily taken it away.

Originally posted by ROL Jamas


Actually, as far as I know, plants, animals, etc. are still evolving today, but the evolution process takes quite a long time, and doens\'t happen overnight. Examples would be like human mutations and such.

See Yuz.

mutations are not a prove of evolution.

evolution required a GAIN in the information in the gene, so that single cell organisms evolve into multi cell organisms.

mutation is a LOSS of genetic information, which will eventually cripple the organism.

also, do not confuse natural selection with evolution.

interesting point. long before darwin came up with evolution theory, christian scientists already observed the natural selection process.

so how did adam and eve survive on air - mmm tasty

also why are we punished for acting on our free will then - and dont give me that we arent punished - i think being sent to an enternity in hell for not believeing in him is quite the punishment - so why give us free will  - he didnt ask me hey scott do you want to live on earth - no he didnt - he put me here and if i dont like it then im screwed because i cant kill myself or i go to hell - so well look at that - what kind of free will is that


as for racers flood comment:

ok you ever notice how storms will start over lots of water and stuff from evaporation of the clouds and then them releasing it again - well what happens when all there is is water around and stuff - constant rain - so hmm let see it stops and evaporates all away and bam it rains like hell again so to speak

and the whole god put it there and god can take it away - well im sorry i dont believe in miracles too much

another thing that bothers me about the flood is how he spares noah and tons of people die - are you to tell out of a world of people not one other person was of good nature - or was it just no one else believed in god so they had to die whether they were nice or not . . .hmmm. . .just something to think about!


btw im heading home ill read what yall say when i get there

Originally posted by Ryu


What about devoting the majority of your life to the happiness of others?  Surely, since I have a girlfriend and will so also have a family, and a house and food to care for and feed them, and devoting your life to their happiness, that there will be great rewards wherever I end up for my acts.  

(This paragraph is not specifically directed at anyone on this board)
The funny thing is, there has been more murder and killing in the name of God then there has been for any other cause.  Then I see people post crap like like MM quoted from that christian message board.  My brother is terminally ill and I love him and care for him moreso then I would any Christian on this Earth, and why?  Because unlike those die hard Christians who think that any cripple or retard should be locked away and kept under guard, my brother actually has a soul.

sorry buddy, but good works do no lead to salvation. gaining salvation is much easier. all is required is what Jesus had done (not what you have done), and that you believe in what He had done for you, and accept the GIFT of salvation.

one thing that you need to recognise is that there\'s a lot of people out there who claims themselves as christians, but some of them are liars... sad, but true.

not to set anybodies panties on fire, but has anyone read about the core samples taken from a greenland icesheet?  Secular critics cite the very existence of the Greenland Ice Sheet, and the paleoenvironmental record it contains, as absolute proof that the Earth is older than 6,000 years and that Noah\'s flood did not happen, as there is no indication of a flood in the ice core layers.

just a little food for thought...

one thing that you need to recognise is that there\'s a lot of people out there who claims themselves as christians, but some of them are liars... sad, but true.

From now on, I want you to reply to each post in one large post.  Practically 90% of all of your posts were in this thread and all of them were multi-paragraphed\\single paragraphs sent to one person with multiple replies in a row.  I want those posts combined into one large post now.

Something I do want you to consider, what if the God you believe in is actually someone else from a different faith?  Would you try to dissprove he existed as well?  Just how shattered would you be if you died and found that all you had spent your life devoting yourself to... was not true?  Just food for thought so long as we are discussing "possibilities" and "heresay."

Well, personally, I\'m an atheist, so I am obviously going to be on the evolution side of the arguement.  

First of all, evolution has far more proof to it than religion, as far as I\'ve seen.  From my point of view, religion is simply trusting the words of others, who lived thousands of years ago.  There is no proof behind things like the flood.  Science has extensive proof behind things.  Evolution has not been definitely proved, which is why it\'s a theory, not a law, but it does have FAR more proof backing it than anything else, such as the dating methods people have already described.  Therefor, it is what I choose to believe.  I have learned the hardway though, that it\'s impossible to get certain others to accept this belief, so I won\'t even try.

On a related topic, church, in my opinion does not strengthen a religion.  Almost everyone I know who goes to church does not enjoy it.  Religion is being forced on them, and they either accept it reluctantly, or reject it entirely.  I think it would be much better if it were not force like this.  If church weren\'t viewed as such a necessary thing, I believe they\'d be more likely to find religion on their own terms.  I believe that that approach would only make it more likely for the person to whole heartedly accept their religion.

As for both football and church being on Sunday, here\'s my reasoning behind it for all of you who have to worry about church and football on the same day:  God creates the world in 6 days, and rests on the 7th.  And what better way to rest, kick back, and relax than infront of a good football game?  It was in this way that football, the sport of gods, was created.

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Originally posted by Troglodyte


Carbon dating is not as accurate as some people want to believe, we\'re not sure how close it is when we go back really far.

Here\'s what I think (take it for what it\'s worth):

Universe: 12-16 BYA
Our solar system: 5 BYA
Earth formed: 4.5 BYA
Cellular structures evolved on earth: 3.8-3.5 BYA
And that\'s as far as I am now in Organismal Biology @ UGA.

Earth, 4.5 billion years ago??  WTF are you talking about???  Racer has documented proof that the earth has only been around for 6500 years.  Apparently the document was created by Racer himself though since about every other sceintific document has the earth as at least 7000 years old.

Originally posted by Ryu


From now on, I want you to reply to each post in one large post.  Practically 90% of all of your posts were in this thread and all of them were multi-paragraphed\\single paragraphs sent to one person with multiple replies in a row.  I want those posts combined into one large post now.

Something I do want you to consider, what if the God you believe in is actually someone else from a different faith?  Would you try to dissprove he existed as well?  Just how shattered would you be if you died and found that all you had spent your life devoting yourself to... was not true?  Just food for thought so long as we are discussing "possibilities" and "heresay."

Thats the beauty about it all though Ryu, its FAITH. You believe that what your beleiving in to be true. I mean, wouldnt you be shattered if you lived a life and died, and discovered that there really was a God?

Its pretty deep, too deep for me I\'m afraid, but all I know is that from all the proof out there, Christianity is the religion for me. Its the only one to me that makes sense.