Something I pondered...

Originally posted by Videoholic



Earth, 4.5 billion years ago??  WTF are you talking about???  Racer has documented proof that the earth has only been around for 6500 years.  Apparently the document was created by Racer himself though since about every other sceintific document has the earth as at least 7000 years old.

Video, dont be stupid. I said it was an ESTIMATE. Gosh, your the one being super anal now. I didnt create the document, as you know. I have read numorous reports stating that the earth is probably only 6-8 thousand years old.

You find a way to continually hate on me. I think its wrong.

Originally posted by theomen


ok here are the big guns, we also have Potasium-Argon dating which is similar to carbon 14, it is used to date volcanic materials, it was used in pompei, it can date between 50,000, and 2 billion years.  there is also fission track, which uses tiny little microsopic damage tracks in glass and other materials that have low uranium, these tracks expand at a fixed rate, and are acurate for up to 2billion years.

now for your reasoning, that you won\'t believe in something until they prove the flood never happend.  what if i said i wouldn\'t believe something until they prove that a martian came down and populated the earth, with a martian prison colony, like how the brittish did with australia.  this theory has as much merit as yours, and is just as difficult to prove wrong.

like i said, all the dating methods have presumptions that everything started the same, and that the conditions since the beginning had not differed from the conditions of the last few thousand years...

you might have misunderstood my reasoning. i don\'t believe in the dating methods because the assumptions that they are based on does not apply to the world wide flood scenario. so if the flood did took place, none of the dating methods would be valid.

and as for the dated materials, it cannot prove that the method is correct, because no one was around millions of years ago to verify that the rock (or whatever it is under consideration) is indeed that age.

i mean, how can they say that fission track is accurate for 2 billion years, when they probably only just came up with it (let\'s give you the benefit of doubt) a hundred years ago?!? do they verify the results with results of other dating methods?!? are the other dating methods claimed to be accurate to more than 2 billion years?!?

your complement to my reasoning does not have as much merit as mine. i didn\'t make up the flood story. the flood is recorded in the bible, and there are also world wide flood stories recorded in other cultures (decendants of noah). however, there is not a single record of martians comming to earth, infact, there is yet to be any real indications that there are martians, or intelligent space aliens.

the british with australia is not the same a martians to earth, because there documentation of the biritish sending convicts to australia, but none for the martians sending anything to earth.

Originally posted by Videoholic
Earth, 4.5 billion years ago??  WTF are you talking about???  Racer has documented proof that the earth has only been around for 6500 years.  Apparently the document was created by Racer himself though since about every other sceintific document has the earth as at least 7000 years old.

From what I had seen/read, I thought that about 4 billion years is the most widely accepted age of the earth by scientists.  I could be wrong though, that\'s mainly from nothing more than freshman Earth Science.

Thats the beauty about it all though Ryu, its FAITH. You believe that what your beleiving in to be true. I mean, wouldnt you be shattered if you lived a life and died, and discovered that there really was a God?

Its pretty deep, too deep for me I\'m afraid, but all I know is that from all the proof out there, Christianity is the religion for me. Its the only one to me that makes sense.

First of all, nothing would surprise me.  I don\'t have all the answers, I have trouble in believing in people who claim that they do thanks to their black shirt, their black book, and the collection plate they pass around.

Originally posted by theomen


wouldn\'t the dino float, just like the human?  like saying a 40000ton vessle would sink faster than a rock, we have to take into consideration that things will be floating.  also any artifact that was prevelant to the society would be at the very  bottom of the pile, due to it not floating, making the artifact beneath the dino, when everything eventually settled.

no, they won\'t \'float\', because it\'s not sea water that they drowned in. the rain won\'t be the thunder storms that we see today... because the rate of rain would need to cover the WHOLE earth in 40 days. humans are smarter than dinos, so it\'d be likey that they\'d survive a few more days than the dinos.

in the case of a flood, it\'s not just water, but rocks and mud with it. heard of \'stuck in the mud\'? heavier you are, the harder to get out.

dino bones are bigger than human, so they don\'t get crushed as easily, and so they\'re easier to find.

the reproduction rate of man was very slow in the early times (generations from adam to noah is listed in the bible). even if dinos root the same number of times as man, dinos lays many (more than triplets) eggs at a time... so there\'d be a lot more dinos than humans.

artifacts don\'t preserve well when wet, because of the oxygen...

you might have misunderstood my reasoning. i don\'t believe in the dating methods because the assumptions that they are based on does not apply to the world wide flood scenario. so if the flood did took place, none of the dating methods would be valid.


last post for me in this thread, u say that potassium-argon testing not being acurate if a world wide flood had happened.  what differense would it make?  water does not cause pottasium or argon to disipate at a more rapid rate, nor at a slower rate.  it works the same way as carbon 14, u do know how carbon 14 works, right?  there are no assumptions that everything started the same, it figures much like carbon 14, through the half life of the chemical.

Originally posted by Ryu


First of all, nothing would surprise me.  I don\'t have all the answers, I have trouble in believing in people who claim that they do thanks to their black shirt, their black book, and the collection plate they pass around.

Ryu, its just faith. Yes, there are alot of corrupt people in the church, but theres corrupt people everywhere, why should church be different?

Anyways, this topic has gone onto too many different tangents...

Originally posted by Sublimesjg
so how did adam and eve survive on air - mmm tasty

also why are we punished for acting on our free will then - and dont give me that we arent punished - i think being sent to an enternity in hell for not believeing in him is quite the punishment - so why give us free will  - he didnt ask me hey scott do you want to live on earth - no he didnt - he put me here and if i dont like it then im screwed because i cant kill myself or i go to hell - so well look at that - what kind of free will is that


as for racers flood comment:

ok you ever notice how storms will start over lots of water and stuff from evaporation of the clouds and then them releasing it again - well what happens when all there is is water around and stuff - constant rain - so hmm let see it stops and evaporates all away and bam it rains like hell again so to speak

and the whole god put it there and god can take it away - well im sorry i dont believe in miracles too much

another thing that bothers me about the flood is how he spares noah and tons of people die - are you to tell out of a world of people not one other person was of good nature - or was it just no one else believed in god so they had to die whether they were nice or not . . .hmmm. . .just something to think about!


btw im heading home ill read what yall say when i get there

adam and eve survived on the fruits of the trees in eden... and when they got casted out, then had to \'work the land\', as it says in the bible.

yes, we are being punished, because we have sinned. and because God is just, he cannot leave sin unpunished, and the punishment of sin is death (death as in eternal separation from God). He also know that we cannot bare the punishment, so He provided us with a way (Jesus) to be saved. But because of our free will, He cannot force us to be saved.

as said in the bible, noah\'s family was the ONLY ONE that pleased God, the only family that still lived according to His ways, and that everyone else has turned evil...

we\'d probably don\'t like with what God decided to do, but who are we to question the Creator? are we in a place to set the rules for Him to work with?

that\'s it, enough, no more talkie!!  topic closed!

Amen brother.

Hmm. Documented proof of 6 to 8 thousand years ago? Sounds kind of odd to me, since the dating issues have pretty much got it pegged that it was created 4.6 billion years ago.

I COULD go into the dating stuff, but I chose not to pay attention in Geoscience class last semester...probably why I ended up with a 77 percent in the class...meh.

See Yuz.

Originally posted by Ryu
Darwin\'s theory of evolution is correct and man did evolve from monkeys, True or False?  Prove it.

That should be the end of the arguement right there.  No one can prove that it is true or that it is false, it\'s all about beliefs, but I assure you, we\'ll all know the answers once I figure out how to build a time machine.:rolleyes:

false.

it can be scientifically and mathematically proved to be impossible, even with the billions of years that he claimed is the age of the earth.

(even those who believe in evolution is shortening the billions of years claim.)

[videoholic]

Originally posted by ##RaCeR##


Video, dont be stupid. I said it was an ESTIMATE. Gosh, your the one being super anal now. I didnt create the document, as you know. I have read numorous reports stating that the earth is probably only 6-8 thousand years old.

You find a way to continually hate on me. I think its wrong.

You should really go back and read what you write.  You never did answer the question as to where did all the water go???????


You can\'t have enough water to cover all the continents just vanish.  Where did it go????

Rain is just recycled water from evaporation.  There is a finite amount of water on the earth and it just keeps circulating.  So why are we not living on boats right now?  Where did the freaking water go??????

Then prove it Alkimo, our resident evangelist freak.  If it\'s been proven wrong, then why do they still ponder the possibility in schools today?

Originally posted by Ryu


From now on, I want you to reply to each post in one large post.  Practically 90% of all of your posts were in this thread and all of them were multi-paragraphed\\single paragraphs sent to one person with multiple replies in a row.  I want those posts combined into one large post now.

Something I do want you to consider, what if the God you believe in is actually someone else from a different faith?  Would you try to dissprove he existed as well?  Just how shattered would you be if you died and found that all you had spent your life devoting yourself to... was not true?  Just food for thought so long as we are discussing "possibilities" and "heresay."

ok, but it\'s hard to keep up... i\'m replying in real time, so... there\'s overlaps.

i have considered your point before, and i\'d say i would be unimaginably shattered if any part of what i believe in is not true.

so shattered that it\'d be like going home and find that my ps2 is gone, and i can\'t find another one, and multiply it by a few million times...