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Offline Eiksirf
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« Reply #30 on: February 14, 2002, 09:15:28 PM »
This is crazy.

As far as I\'m concerned, we shouldn\'t be discussing if another discussion is worthful.  I\'d be interested in your replies to that idea, because to me, the real question is whether or not discussions of discussions about a discussion\'s worthfulness are worthful.

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« Reply #31 on: February 14, 2002, 09:16:38 PM »
damnit Eik, STOP MAKING RATIONAL SENSE!

it makes my cranium hurt
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« Reply #32 on: February 15, 2002, 01:14:22 AM »
You can tell how a game is going to look bye looking at
screens of it. (Ironfist)

I mean you can tell if a games is going to looks crappy and you can tell if a game is going to look good. Without waiting til it is completely finished.

And the graphic engine is like the first thing that is built in game.

I mean there is no excuse these days for having crappy graphics when we have all seen developers put out good games with great graphics.

Great gameplay is something that every developer just can\'t do. But graphics that just freakin technology come on crappy graphics are just no excuse.

AND If a game has crappy graphics 9 times out of ten the game sucks.
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« Reply #33 on: February 15, 2002, 02:56:24 AM »
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Originally posted by fastson
BizioEE: Congrats on your 1000 post..

Im hoping Outcast 2 will be a game were you get to explore big worlds. Ive only played the demo of the first and it had some exploration.

It sure has the looks. Im hoping for AAA gameplay as well. :)
I dont want to start a screen vs screen debate so Ill just give you the link to Gamespot. -> Here


Thanks fastson...
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I liked Jak and Daxter alot. It did not have as much exploration (it was more like "collect x number of powercells and you can advance") as I had hoped, but it was still a very good game.


Yes,it\'s a good game,I liked it too...but it\'s not the game I was waiting for!

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That is not only limited by power.. But the developers as well.. You know every action has to be programmed for it to happen. Coding a lot of actions will take a lot of time. Especially on these new consoles.
A game which lets you do anything is going to take a lot of time to do, and cost a lot of money.
I think its more limited by developers and money than it is by power..


Yes...power is not the only limiting factor...but what I mean is that power is a "necessary condition",not sufficient!

Coding a lot of actions in a huge,interactive and alive environment,ruled by realistic physics where character move and react among them and other objects in a credible way whould take a lot of time,money but even power ;)  ...so...if you have power...you can deal with this complex subject...if you have not enough power...you can\'t...
...and I\'ve formed the idea that all the "next" gen console(not so sure about the XBox) have not the power to show what I was expecting from these consoles...
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« Reply #34 on: February 15, 2002, 07:39:24 PM »
I like it when graphics are used to enhance a game- a la Silent Hill2.........the graphics of the backrounds and lighting really helped make for an eerie experience! I don\'t think it would have been quite so scary if it wasn\'t for all the bloody-rusty-dirty-graffiti-ridden walls and amazing lighting effects.
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« Reply #35 on: February 16, 2002, 01:10:05 AM »
Graphics play a big role but that doesnt me that it can be totally over shadowed. Some games are just too fun to put down just because the grafics suck, and im sure a few of you have encountered this before. Graphics will always be important. They can make the game more engaging. Like if you were in a dark city lit by a volley of flourecent lights where tons of people roam the streets in the rain with towering buildings and everyday is an adventure. That cant be done with dynamic lighting and high poly\'s on each character, and ai where you can interact with each person and even explore the insides of every house on a system like today. But in the end the gameplay is were its at ya know. :cool:
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« Reply #36 on: February 18, 2002, 07:33:25 PM »
Firstly, according to some detail review and explanation done at
http://www.firingsquad.com, a highly respectable PC and hardware review site, there is NO CURRENT X-BOX games thats use FSAA.

Even on the PC, most people don\'t use FSAA even when using Gforce 3 card coz it takes too much resources and slows frame rates significantly - even to unplayable level, however, on the PC most people can just crank up their resolution higher to overcome this problem. I always play my game at 800x600 on my 15" monitor where possible and basically, there really is no aliasing issues unless you wanna pause the game and stare hard at the screen(for what!!!!!???).

Now back to gameplay and graphic issues. I\'m a supporter of gameplay over graphics anyday. This doesn\'t means graphics is not important. I can enjoy a game with average graphics but good gameplay but not the other way round. great graphics with stinky gameplay.

Example, IMO, ShenMue is a piece of graphic marvel but the gameplay(if there\'s any in it) stinks big time. I\'ll rather play Panzer Dragoon Saga on my Saturn anyday in all it\'s low res and jaggie glories.

AS for the PS2, I\'ve to admit the early games are really crap looking...I think it\'s not only the jaggie that\'s the problem but the horrible shimmering. Some of the worst I\'ve seen included DOA2:HC and another game what zit name? Portal Runner(the shimmering is so bad that the main character looks like been chop up into little bits of pixels).

However, the recent PS2 games have all but solved this problem. I\'d read somewhere that Baldur\'s Gate:Dark Alliance is one of the first PS2 games that uses FSAA. I\'ve played the game and the graphics are really looking clean.


Lastly, I think all these graphics argument are really waste of time coz in the end, the PC will have the beefiest hardware provided if u have the cash.

And that is why I guess I\'ll alwasy enjoy console gaming more. Coz console games place more importance in gameplay and innovation compared to the average PC games.

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« Reply #37 on: February 18, 2002, 07:47:23 PM »
Shenmue stinks?


Uh-oh, I smell a fight brewing.  Shenmue is a marvel of gameplay and graphics and my opinion is just as valid as yours--maybe more because I\'m stubborn and I\'ll just keep arguing until you stop responding and the person who ends the thread wins the argument; it\'s a rule!
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« Reply #38 on: February 18, 2002, 10:25:07 PM »
Yes. ShenMue stinks. in fact, the DC could still be alive if SEGA had spend those rumoured 40 million bucks to develop a Final Fantasy killer instead...but NOOOO...they want ShenMue...crappy no brainer no humour linear adventure with crappy Fighting Force action with crappy "push buttons in this sequence" aka Dragon\'s Lair gameplay with overhyped F.R.E.E(free my arse...you can only interact with a few objects in the game!).

ShenMue is utter crap.

THE END.

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« Reply #39 on: February 19, 2002, 10:19:28 AM »
You really think you can win an argument over Shenmue when mm is here?

Shenmue OWNS...
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« Reply #40 on: February 19, 2002, 10:52:49 AM »
Well everyone is entitled to their own opinion. I think shenmue is ok from what ive played and seen of it. If someone doesnt like it then they dont, big deal. Its one game. If you worship the series then good for you. jeeze:p :D
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« Reply #41 on: February 19, 2002, 08:44:30 PM »
I\'ve no problem with MM. He\'s a very reasonable dude who respect opinions and can tell the difference between a flame and an expression of opinion. :)

The biggest lie about ShenMue is definitely the FREE thingy. It\'s nowhere even near what Yu Suzuki said it\'ll do. In fact, it\'s even a BIGGER lie than the 66 million poly/sec on the PS2 or the 300 micro poly/sec on the X-Box claimed by SONY and Microsoft.

At least, those were conditional half-truth!!!!

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« Reply #42 on: February 20, 2002, 11:04:56 AM »
*Gasp*

A company hyping their product??? NO WAY!!! I gotta lie down...

Puh-leeze...

If the reason why you dislike Shenmue is because of failure to live up to the hype, then you\'d better trash your PS2 and several other products you probably own.
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« Reply #43 on: February 20, 2002, 02:53:05 PM »
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If the reason why you dislike Shenmue is because of failure to live up to the hype, then you\'d better trash your PS2 and several other products you probably own.



What hes saying is that he thought the game was actually gonna be good, but it didn\'t live up to the hype and hell to many people it just ended up boring.  Maybe the company shouldn\'t have hyped it as much as they did considering how not even close it was with what they said.

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« Reply #44 on: February 21, 2002, 08:08:15 AM »
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If the reason why you dislike Shenmue is because of failure to live up to the hype, then you\'d better trash your PS2 and several other products you probably own.


What has hating Shenmue for not living up to it\'s hype and didn\'t help the DC to survive has got to do with thrashing PS2 or Xbox or Gamecube for that matter???

R u on drugs???

Sheesh!!

 

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