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« Reply #45 on: February 24, 2002, 12:41:40 AM »
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Sheesh, we can never progress if we never question popular theory.

I\'m not sure that I believe 100% in the theory of evolution, but if that is the way it happened I believe that God was the one that got it all started. The probability of amino acids forming in primordial ooze is really, extremely low. The experiments done on primordial ooze created in the lab usually produces satisfyable results, but then again most will agree that the conditions under which the prmordial ooze was way back when can not be reproduced today.

Who\'s to say that evolution wasn\'t God\'s plan of creation?

Up until a few months ago I thought the exact same thing.  I figured that evolution could be true and if it was, then that is just the way God made man.  But after thinking about it, and learning more about it, I really don\'t believe in the Evolution Theory anymore.  

This quote sums up what I think of Evolution quite nicely:
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"It is held by some that Adam was not the first man upon this earth, and that the original human being was a development from lower orders of the animal creation. These, however, are the theories of men. The word of the Lord declares that Adam was \'the first man of all men\' (Moses 1:34), and we are therefore in duty bound to regard him as the primal parent of our race. It was shown to the brother of Jared that all men were created in the beginning after the image of God; and whether we take this to mean the spirit or the body, or both, it commits us to the same conclusion: Man began life as a human being, in the likeness of our heavenly Father."


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I think it\'s funny that religious people can produce "Scientific evidence" that supports the creation theory that someone HAD to make us a few thousand years ago, but can turn around and say "GOD?.... Oh, he\'s been around forever. He\'s Eternal." They fail to theorize about how God was created, "No one created him... He just IS!!!"

God was created just like we were created.  He was born on a planet probably a lot like this one, lived a worthy life, did some mandatory things that needed to be done (Baptism, marriage in the temple), got to the highest degree in the Celestial Kingdom, then worked hard for probably hundreds of thousands of years, then poof, he\'s a god.  Obviously that is a simplified version of how it really is, but you get the general idea of what my religion believes.  Ha, there goes that argument about how people "fail to theorize about how God was created."

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Im not gonna sit here and start questioning religions and such ... but one thing that always bothers me about my religion ( i am catholic ( sp? ) ) is how 2000 years ago god appeared to all these people and told them what to do.. well did god decide to sit on his ass for 2000 years?

After Christ died and resurrected, his church died out.  Most, if not all, of the of the leadership of his church was killed; completely wiping his church off the face of the planet.  After that, many churches formed with their own variations to Christ\'s church. God was just waiting for the perfect time to bring his church back.  God and Christ returned to earth in the 1820s to restore the true church.  After the second coming, Christ will live with us on Earth once again.  And it\'s not like God is just sitting there doing nothing.  There are other worlds just like ours (except theirs are a lot less evil.  Our world was the only world evil enough to crucify Jesus Christ).  In order for religion to be established on those thousands, if not millions, or even billions of God\'s other worlds, Christ had to go down to those worlds too and tell them about how he died for their sins.  So give them a break.  They are busy people. :)

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There may be an entity out there, but I GUARENTEE YOU there is no organized religion worthy.
How can you be so sure?  Have you done research on every religion on this planet? Where they originated from?  What their beliefs are?
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« Reply #46 on: February 24, 2002, 12:47:19 AM »
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God was created just like we were created. He was born on a planet probably a lot like this one, lived a worthy life, did some mandatory things that needed to be done (Baptism, marriage in the temple), got to the highest degree in the Celestial Kingdom, then worked hard for probably hundreds of thousands of years, then poof, he\'s a god. Obviously that is a simplified version of how it really is, but you get the general idea of what my religion believes. Ha, there goes that argument about how people "fail to theorize about how God was created."  



Whoa there buddy.  May I be the first to say that this is not what Christianity teaches.
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« Reply #47 on: February 24, 2002, 01:14:18 AM »
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Whoa there buddy.  May I be the first to say that this is not what Christianity teaches.

Exactly.  The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints is no ordinary Christian church.  Our church believes that all other churches have lost a lot of important key elements to God\'s church, which is why no other church believes, or has even heard of, this.  Troglodyte, read my last post in the other religion thread.
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« Reply #48 on: February 24, 2002, 01:15:58 AM »
U know what I REALLY hate.. and I don\'t hate much.

People that breach religion. I don\'t care if people follow a religion, but when they breach it. Telling other people are goin to hell cause they aren\'t following there religion or arn\'t having children in weddlock etc etc.  That really S@#TS me.  I really hate people that talk about not killing etc, when they step on bugs without a second thought. Grrrrr. So that\'s my thought. That\'s why i don\'t follow a religion. I am what i am, do or don\'t accept that. If there is a god, he/she/it should understand he/she/it got what it payed (made) for. :D


So if anyone here feels they are getting flamed etc or feel as if that people are breaching and making them feel errr sad or offended.. PM me and i shall close this thread straight away.
These types of threads can lead to a lot of flaming and uncalled for words. Which isn\'t really religion e err is it. ;)
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« Reply #49 on: February 24, 2002, 01:23:20 AM »
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U know what I REALLY hate.. and I don\'t hate much.

People that breach religion. I don\'t care if people follow a religion, but when they breach it. Telling other people are goin to hell cause they aren\'t following there religion or arn\'t having children in weddlock etc etc.  That really S@#TS me.  I really hate people that talk about not killing etc, when they step on bugs without a second thought. Grrrrr. So that\'s my thought. That\'s why i don\'t follow a religion. I am what i am, do or don\'t accept that. If there is a god, he/she/it should understand he/she/it got what it payed (made) for. :D


So if anyone here feels they are getting flamed etc or feel as if that people are breaching and making them feel errr sad or offended.. PM me and i shall close this thread straight away.
These types of threads can lead to a lot of flaming and uncalled for words. Which isn\'t really religion e err is it. ;)

In other words, everybody go to "User CP", then "Edit Ignore List", then type in "IronFist".  No need to beat around the bush §ôµÏG®ïñD.  You can just come out and say it.
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« Reply #50 on: February 24, 2002, 03:21:06 AM »
i wasn\'t pointing the finger at anyone. I didn\'t even fully read through this whole thread. I was just mearly stating that if it became a flame war i would close it.

If you are breaching. Then maybe u will think about how it effects other people before doing so.. :)
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« Reply #51 on: February 24, 2002, 05:40:05 AM »
Here\'s the proof of evolution:



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« Reply #52 on: February 24, 2002, 07:49:11 AM »
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Exactly.  The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints is no ordinary Christian church.  Our church believes that all other churches have lost a lot of important key elements to God\'s church, which is why no other church believes, or has even heard of, this.  Troglodyte, read my last post in the other religion thread.


Honestly it seems to me, after reading some of the BOM, that the Mormons have added to the Bible, making getting into heaven a more "do good, be good" thing, instead of its pure spiritual element, and depending on how good you are, depends on your status later, so you don\'t have to be as good, and still get to some level of Heaven.  And then giving people the thought that if I\'m super-great of a spiritual person, then someday I\'ll be able to rule my own planet.  Seems a bit far-fetched.

I think what we need to do is is have more respcet for other religions.  Here we are, solely arguing two similar religions, there are so many more to delve into.  I\'ve tried to hold up more respect for Mormonism, but it\'s hard when y\'all act so darn stubborn towards your own and don\'t give the sence of even considering other opinions.

I move that we finally, once and for all, agree to disagree, and go on to posting silly evolution charts (I like Samewises best).  And if you want to learn more about one\'s religion/science point of view, to PM them with a simple question on how to get an information packet or something.
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« Reply #53 on: February 24, 2002, 11:51:54 AM »
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i wasn\'t pointing the finger at anyone. I didn\'t even fully read through this whole thread. I was just mearly stating that if it became a flame war i would close it.

If you are breaching. Then maybe u will think about how it effects other people before doing so.. :)

Ok.  But one would have to assume when they saw the title of this thread that it would contain different people\'s ideas/beliefs of how things came to be.  I do apologize for preaching though, and will keep that to a minimum from now on. :)

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Honestly it seems to me, after reading some of the BOM, that the Mormons have added to the Bible, making getting into heaven a more "do good, be good" thing, instead of its pure spiritual element, and depending on how good you are, depends on your status later, so you don\'t have to be as good, and still get to some level of Heaven. And then giving people the thought that if I\'m super-great of a spiritual person, then someday I\'ll be able to rule my own planet. Seems a bit far-fetched.

I believe that I can not just pray every day, say I believe in Christ, go to church every week, read my scriptures, and then have a guaranteed spot in heaven.  If I truly do believe in Christ, than I will follow his example.  He didn\'t just sit around being perfect, but went out giving service at every chance he had.  As I said before in the other thread, our church is not an idle church.  And it is true that our church believes in three degrees of heaven, all of them being better than this world.  "Hell" for us is not making it to the highest degree in the highest level of heaven, which means we cannot progress anymore.  Only in the highest degree can you progress, otherwise you will be stuck in your current state forever, never progressing.

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I think what we need to do is is have more respcet for other religions. Here we are, solely arguing two similar religions, there are so many more to delve into. I\'ve tried to hold up more respect for Mormonism, but it\'s hard when y\'all act so darn stubborn towards your own and don\'t give the sence of even considering other opinions.

One reason I am even posting in these religion threads is to understand as much as I can about other people\'s beliefs before I go on my mission.  I do understand a lot about the other Christian churches though, and am not as ignorant as you may think.  I am not being stubborn without knowledge of the other churches, but instead have chosen this church as the only true church after weeks of prayer and scripture study.  Now that I know which church is true, I think my stubbornness is justified.  If you knew a religion was completely true without a shadow of a doubt, would you still go out looking for other religions?
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« Reply #54 on: February 24, 2002, 12:33:03 PM »
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One reason I am even posting in these religion threads is to understand as much as I can about other people\'s beliefs before I go on my mission.  I do understand a lot about the other Christian churches though, and am not as ignorant as you may think.  I am not being stubborn without knowledge of the other churches, but instead have chosen this church as the only true church after weeks of prayer and scripture study.  Now that I know which church is true, I think my stubbornness is justified.  If you knew a religion was completely true without a shadow of a doubt, would you still go out looking for other religions?


The problem with that is the human mind can never comprehend enough to know absolute truths, to be absolutely sure that the spirit is pointing you in the direction of the path you take, and not a limited scope sue to our minds own limitations, there will always be a need to "double check" a truth that seems absolute.  I probably won\'t prove much of anything to you.  The only way to find the ultimate truth is through death.  Hopefully the pats we take, though seemingly separate, will take us to the same bliss in aftelife.
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