XBOX or PS2

XBox\'s quality of images is by far superior than PS2\'s one...and we\'re comparing Launch games with 2nd gen PS2 games...

Wow, opinion as fact again...

But you\'re impressed by PS2 and not by the XBox...

Wow, just like your impressed by the xbox and not ps2

why don\'t you provide support instead of your biased opinion

If your playing the games, and not caring about only graphics.. like yourself

Then you would not notice the difference between the xbox and ps2 graphics, but graphics is aparently the only thing you care about BizioEE

I suggest buying a really nice PC and watching graphical demos

[BizioEE]

Originally posted by seven


Oh and another one who seems to enjoy graphics based upon specs. I really wonder how you play your games Bizio... do you count the polygons during gameplay?

And please, if you already can\'t answer my reply - just admit defeat or give it up. I can go on for hours like this.

Are we speaking of graphics capabilities or game-play ? You\'re confusing me...(seven changing subject again...)

defeat? what are you speaking about...it\'s not a war...you\'re simply confused...go bed...it\'s better...

I was speaking about the quality of images...not game-play...oh my God... :eek:

[BizioEE]

XBox\'s quality of images is by far superior than PS2\'s one=Fact

If your playing the games, and not caring about only graphics.. like yourself

Then you would not notice the difference between the xbox and ps2 graphics, but graphics is aparently the only thing you care about BizioEE

I suggest buying a really nice PC and watching graphical demos

I\'m a console gamer,not a PC demos watcher...what\'s your point fool ?


Chrono,your pointless...and even a little retard...you can\'t debate with me...

...and about the 3-5x factor? Have you seen the 15x factor when it comes to DC and PS2 ?

Funny how you like to refer to that 15x number between the DC and PS2. I wonder where you get this stuff? But why don\'t back up your arguements for a change and prove it?

Give me a press release where Sony sais that the PS2 is 15x more powerfull? I really am curious. Unless you can back this up, don\'t use this bull**** as an arguement again.

Are we speaking of graphics capabilities or game-play ? You\'re confusing me...(seven changing subject again...)

defeat? what are you speaking about...it\'s not a war...you\'re simply confused...go bed...it\'s better...

I was speaking about the quality of images...not game-play...oh my God...

My god - not once have I criticized someone’s grammar or language difficulties - but Bizio, I really suggest that you get a better translator or what ever you use. Your english is horrible.

[BizioEE]

Originally posted by seven


Funny how you like to refer to that 15x number between the DC and PS2. I wonder where you get this stuff? But why don\'t back up your arguements for a change and prove it?

Give me a press release where Sony sais that the PS2 is 15x more powerfull? I really am curious. Unless you can back this up, don\'t use this bull**** as an arguement again.

Toy Story Graphics ----->50x and then 15x...I\'ll find the Link!:)

[BizioEE]

Originally posted by seven


My god - not once have I criticized someone’s grammar or language difficulties - but Bizio, I really suggest that you get a better translator or what ever you use. Your english is horrible.

You know I\'m italian...and however my english is not horrible...I\'m an italian stallion and I\'m better in other things:D  

seven changes subject again...poor fool...

no I\'m not blaming you - but it gets very hard if you don\'t understand half of the stuff I post and then reply something completely irrelevant. It just ain\'t fun anymore. And I\'m not changing the subject (I\'d rather say you are the one here) - I\'m still waiting for that promised link of yours... where is it?

[BizioEE]

Originally posted by seven
no I\'m not blaming you - but it gets very hard if you don\'t understand half of the stuff I post and then reply something completely irrelevant. It just ain\'t fun anymore. And I\'m not changing the subject (I\'d rather say you are the one here) - I\'m still waiting for that promised link of yours... where is it?

...it\'s 00.30...I wanna sleep...tomorrow seven...or the day after...bye...good night.

XBox\'s quality of images is by far superior than PS2\'s one=Fact

ROFL! that\'s a opinion! are you that stupid?

Chrono,your pointless...and even a little retard...you can\'t debate with me...

Of course I can\'t, your opinions are fact!

Toy Story Graphics ----->50x and then 15x...I\'ll find the Link!

then you say

...it\'s 00.30...I wanna sleep...tomorrow seven...or the day after...bye...good night.

I guess you can\'t find the link.. so you leave

ROFL, you really should quit before you make an ass outta yourself..
wait, you already did!

"I guess you can\'t find the link.. so you leave"

Hmmm, it\'s always difficult to find links and articles after years have past, however after a few minutes of searching, here are few which represent the opinions of the time;

http://www.coremagazine.com/news/936.php3

"Speaking about the power and polygon performance of the PlayStation2 as compared to the Dreamcast, Okamoto-san stated that the PS2 is capable of approximately 15X the power of the Dreamcast..."

A view shared by many developers at the time after Sony\'s PS2 announcement.

Equally, Sony did make references to Toy Story graphics when they first revealed the PS2 in March 1999, such that MANY websites reported their claim at the time;

http://psx.ign.com/articles/067/067113p1.html

"The Nihon Keizai Shimbun reported early Monday morning that the new PlayStation  which confirms many of the most recent fervent rumors and all of our sources  will produce movie-like cinematics comparable to the image quality seen in Pixar\'s Toy Story..."  

And regarding the DC they go on to report ... "The PlayStation 2\'s new microprocessor will enable games to render nearly 50 times more 3D image data than Dreamcast, a serious leap over Sega\'s much-vaunted console, which processes 3 million polygons with all effects in use."

Hmmm... There\'s also;

http://www.webreview.com/1999/05_07/strategists/05_07_99_1.shtml

"In plainer English, Sony boasts that the Playstation II will be capable of rendering "Toy Story"-quality 3D graphics in real time, while simultaneously playing DVD video and digital surround-sound."

And

http://www.dvdfuture.com/features/playstation2_old.php3

"To give an idea of the graphical prowess of their new system, Sony claims it is capable of rendering the movie "Toy Story" in real time."

More opinions/beliefs following Sony\'s anouncement;

http://www.coremagazine.com/news/1399.php3

"Aizawa: I think the PlayStation2 looks great.
 Yamamoto: Perhaps, but the software so far doesn\'t.
 Aizawa: Well, I think it has potential. It will be capable of doing
 games that look like the movie \'Toy Story\' in real-time.
 Yamamoto: I agree, the hardware is impressive. But quality
 software isn\'t dependent upon graphics..."

But my favourate has always been Sony\'s comment of;

http://www.scee.com/hardware/ps2console.jhtml

"Imagine walking into a movie and taking part in real-time...this is the world you are about to enter."

Hmmm, somehow I don\'t think so! The PS2 is good, but not THAT good!

Anyway, enough from me, I haven\'t been here for a few months and was just passing (=curiousity).

Bye!

[BizioEE]

Chrono,I\'ve just said that,you are "a little retard"(no offense),always pointless and you can\'t debate with me...

by Bizzio
...it\'s 00.30...I wanna sleep...tomorrow seven...or the day after...bye...good night.

as Dr Yassam said :"Hmmm, it\'s always difficult to find links and articles after years have past"...and however he did it for me and proved I\'m right! ...and I\'d have found the link as promised to seven...but later...

seven,where are you? I remembered very well the Toy Story and the "50x" crap...but I posted only one of the bull**** of Sony(15x about power and polygon performance ) and you said I had to back this up...when you poor fool did remember very well all this but for some odd reasons you seem to not remember it...

In plainer English, Sony boasts that the Playstation II will be capable of rendering "Toy Story"-quality 3D graphics in real time, while simultaneously playing DVD video and digital surround-sound.

Really?



Dr Yassam,how are you?  I hope fine!

[BizioEE]

by seven
Funny how you like to refer to that 15x number between the DC and PS2. I wonder where you get this stuff? But why don\'t back up your arguements for a change and prove it?

Give me a press release where Sony sais that the PS2 is 15x more powerfull? I really am curious. Unless you can back this up, don\'t use this bull**** as an arguement again.

Again,Bizzio is right...

by Bizzio
Toy Story Graphics ----->50x and then 15x...I\'ll find the Link!

"Speaking about the power and polygon performance of the PlayStation2 as compared to the Dreamcast, Okamoto-san stated that the PS2 is capable of approximately 15X the power of the Dreamcast..."

"And regarding the DC they go on to report ... "The PlayStation 2\'s new microprocessor will enable games to render nearly 50 times more 3D image data than Dreamcast, a serious leap over Sega\'s much-vaunted console, which processes 3 million polygons with all effects in use."

"To give an idea of the graphical prowess of their new system, Sony claims it is capable of rendering the movie "Toy Story" in real time."

Bizzio is always right...me do not need any links...! I remember everything!

First I\'d like to thank DrYassam for getting those links. Personally, I never heard these statements and comparasments here in Europe (and I get the official pressstatements from Sony).

Well, Bizio I hope you\'re reading this, because this 15x number as I already suspected is specifically ment for polygon-performance. I think the messured specs speak for themselves. And of course it is up to the developers to squeeze this performance out. We will see if the PS2 will ever reach this performance. But as to your arguement "newer hardware == better hardare" - I compared them for PSX vs N64 vs Saturn and I think as we can all judge PSX is at least up to par with the newer hardware of the N64 (overall). I think heaps of people will also agree that Saturn had the most potential but was just plain too hard for developers. This proves that newer hardware IS NOT necesserally better.

Now, I won\'t go asfar to say that PS2 indeed looks X times better than DC - but simply that it does look better. There is a difference and most noticable one too. Hovewer when I look at Xbox, a console that is also said to be noticably better and heaps easier to program for and two years newer too, I would expect to see a difference. But there isn\'t. That was my point further up.

"The Nihon Keizai Shimbun reported early Monday morning that the new PlayStation  which confirms many of the most recent fervent rumors and all of our sources  will produce movie-like cinematics comparable to the image quality seen in Pixar\'s Toy Story..."

"Imagine walking into a movie and taking part in real-time...this is the world you are about to enter."

It\'s funny, it all comes down to two games at the moment. Jak & Daxter (which is more like an interactive disney cartoon) and Metal Gear Solid 2. IMO, MGS2 looks more like a playable FMV out of the PSX\'s days.