Can the US alone support the Xbox?

Originally posted by gameomania

Xbox\'s slow sales are only temporary.  I bet the sales will dramatically increase during Summer and Fall 02, of course.  Since the price was lowered in Europe, the system will pick up in sales.

I doubt it.... Once again PS2 has the advantage from being released earlier because its price cut will come earlier and many gamers (yes many, countless people ask when the price cut is) are ready to take advantage.

Originally posted by Vapor Snake


I doubt it.... Once again PS2 has the advantage from being released earlier because its price cut will come earlier and many gamers (yes many, countless people ask when the price cut is) are ready to take advantage.

Also Gamecube pre orders at through the roof !

looks like its going to be a Great launch for Big N in Europe

and by the looks of things the Gamecube like the PS2 is now, is going to out sell the x box in all regions.

Big N are Gunning for Silver in this race.

indeed, 2nd place = 1st loser

1st Loser = First To Lose!!!

RIP, Dreamcast!!!

[Bobs_Hardware]

Originally posted by "The One" Billy Gunn
Just an interesting fact I\'d like to throw in.

Microsoft does not have more money than Sony.

Sony happens to be a decent way higher on the fortune 500 than M$.  Too many people believe Microsoft is an evil company that owns the world.  They are a driving force in the computer industry, but as far as other things, when was the last time you brought home a Microsoft telephone? Walkman? Monitor?

Sony is number 4, Microsoft is in the 70\'s, however that is irrelivent when talking about how much money both consoles have backing them..

both companies created separate divisions to handle their consoles (Sony has SCE).. if Playstation was to fail, i would expect Sony to write of SCE as a failure and continue with the rest of their products..

MS are more tenacious, and may provide more backing than Sony (would have).. but still, if XBox were to completely break the division ofMicrosoft dedicated to it, you wouldnt expect the rest of MS to step in..much  

ugh..

Xbox\'s slow sales are only temporary. I bet the sales will dramatically increase during Summer and Fall 02, of course. Since the price was lowered in Europe, the system will pick up in sales.

and if not then, just wait til next years E3..  :rolleyes:

[GmanJoe]

Sony invested more money into R&D for the PS2. about a billion dollars (this includes factories, machines, employees, construction and R&D for PS2). As for MS, not as much as Sony After all, MS used current technology. They just slimmed down a PC.

But here\'s the irony : the investment that Sony put into the PS2, including the factories....has paid itself off! PS2 is now in the black making profits! It costs them less to make a PS2 since they make their own parts!

MS...though they spent less into Xbox R&D, is in the red. Parts are being bought from other companies and assembled in Mexico and Europe (the ones I know of).

plus they drastically cut prices as an attempt just to get xbox\'s in people\'s homes

its a good thing sega didnt have a plethora of cash like m$ does and knew when to throw the towel in

Originally posted by GmanJoe
They just slimmed down a PC.

oh my God :eek:

hey matey don\'t you realise the Zelots will want your blood for saying that

anyway back to the topic (a first for me in Console Debating)

Doesn’t anyone think that the loss of the top brass at Microsoft HQ coupled with the poor sales in Japan, could lead to a knock on effect in both Europe and America ?

or is it just me ?

Originally posted by Heretic
Here\'s what I\'m seeing:

PS2 CPU+GS= 56 million transistors*
Xbox CPU+GPU= 73 million transistors*

Based on those raw numbers, isn\'t that like 1/3 more powerful? Kinda reflects what we\'re seeing  now that PS2 has a few big kinks worked out. What the hell happened to Moores law?  Am I way off here, or what? Anyone care to ‘splain?

I can come up with a interesting explanation for these numbers. The PS2 has 4 MB, or 32 Mb, of eDRAM on the GS. Take the eDRAM off the numbers and the total transistor count comes to 24 million. Although there\'s more to this, it looks like MS\'s original claims of 3-5 times more powerful are at least partly true.

P.S. Hello everybody! I\'m new here!

errrrr, welcome?

Xbox in japan hasn\'t been very well received because there are not enough japanese games to keep it up with it\'s competitors. Japan is probably the single most importent place to get a product into and do well in. MS had better sort something out quick or they\'ll miss their ride.

Although there\'s more to this, it looks like MS\'s original claims of 3-5 times more powerful are at least partly true.

I would love to see how this claim can even be partly true. I took some time to figure out how Microsoft got to those numbers, but my best guess is that it\'s just pure marketing tactics. Also harsh underestimation of the EE by MS.

Originally posted by seven
I would love to see how this claim can even be partly true. I took some time to figure out how Microsoft got to those numbers, but my best guess is that it\'s just pure marketing tactics. Also harsh underestimation of the EE by MS.

Eh... None of us (I assume) are programmers that specialize in graphics, so I guess there\'s no argument going either way.

I can come up with a interesting explanation for these numbers. The PS2 has 4 MB, or 32 Mb, of eDRAM on the GS. Take the eDRAM off the numbers and the total transistor count comes to 24 million. Although there\'s more to this, it looks like MS\'s original claims of 3-5 times more powerful are at least partly true.

Ah, now I got it what you were trying to say: Graphics Synthesizer without the 4 MB VRAM has about 24 million transistors (instead of 43 million), which equals about 3 times less than the 73 million that the Xbox holds. So in that aspect, it would be 3 (or 5) times more powerful. Might add up if you look at it that way, but I think it\'s not quite correct since both processors and chip boards are so radical different. Also, the EE with "only" 10.5 million transistors trashes any PIII chip outthere in 3d processing. I don\'t think the amount of transistors is a valid arguement in this case. There are way more things to consider first.

BTW: Welcome to the forums.

Originally posted by seven


Ah, now I got it what you were trying to say: Graphics Synthesizer without the 4 MB VRAM has about 24 million transistors (instead of 43 million), which equals about 3 times less than the 73 million that the Xbox holds. So in that aspect, it would be 3 (or 5) times more powerful. Might add up if you look at it that way, but I think it\'s not quite correct since both processors and chip boards are so radical different.

Yeah, that\'s basically what I said.

Also, the EE with "only" 10.5 million transistors trashes any PIII chip outthere in 3d processing. I don\'t think the amount of transistors is a valid arguement in this case. There are way more things to consider first.

Of course, one expects the X-GPU "will trash any EE chip out there in 3d processing."

BTW: Welcome to the forums.

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Er...Thanx.

PS: 0 posts? This warrants some explanation.