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Offline BizioEE

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« Reply #30 on: April 19, 2002, 12:17:35 PM »
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You make it sound as if everything that is done hardware == no hit in performance.


nah...nothing is free in hardware...but everything via hardware is faster...and everything via software takes a major hit in performance...
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« Reply #31 on: April 19, 2002, 12:21:53 PM »
which explains why none of the current games use Anti Aliasing. Very powerful hardware, I agree.
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« Reply #32 on: April 19, 2002, 12:24:48 PM »
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The artstyle in VF4 practicly rapes DoA3. And the characters in VF4 look better than those in DoA3, IMO.


don\'t play with me:)...DOA3 looks FAR better overall !
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« Reply #33 on: April 19, 2002, 12:26:36 PM »
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which explains why none of the current games use Anti Aliasing. Very powerful hardware, I agree.


...but jaggies on PS2 games are a lot more evident...I think you could cut a tree with those of VF4:D...and it\'s a game released in the third year of PS2 life by one of the most talented dev of the planet!
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« Reply #34 on: April 19, 2002, 12:32:16 PM »
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don\'t play with me:)...DOA3 looks FAR better overall !


Did I say overall? Please quote me..
I mean the characters SPECIFIC..
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« Reply #35 on: April 19, 2002, 12:43:10 PM »
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Yes,the EE is the best CPU but it has to do everything,and though you have,theoretically,more freadom to get some "effects",you have to admit that "effects" via software are much more slower than "effects" via hardware!

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Software is optimise-able but you\'re limited to the overall power you have...the pixel-shaders of the NV2a are program-able and run a lot faster than the Vus of PS2...the EE is not the magic you think.

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Dev on PS2\'re trying with the vector units to perform pixel shader effects (reflective/refractive bump-mapping, depth sprites,etc) but it takes a huge hit in performance! PS2 has a lot of games,is a great machine for most of gamers...so why you care so much about the graphics capabilities of PS2? even AM2 now understand how much PS2 is inadequate...


Gathering from your last few replies, you are trying to prove how "inadequate" PS2 is compared to Xbox hardware YET Xbox games show nothing more than the same problems PS2 delt with/is dealing with: Anti Aliasing and extensive use of blur. And who here is trying to debate that hardware-effects are sooo much better than the PS2 software ones? Yeah absolutely, I see it in current Xbox games how good it is.

And btw: PS2 games with AA: Baulders Gate, Tekken Tag, Tekken4, GT3, Jak & Daxter while heaps of other games use some type of AA aswell.

Funny: first you proclaim Xbox of being so much more powerful thanks to hardware effects, but then when I say how many games on Xbox are missing AA - the best you can do is put it down to PS2\'s level and say "but jaggies on PS2 games are a lot more evident". Typical.
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« Reply #36 on: April 19, 2002, 12:54:31 PM »
well...if you think that AM2 have produced a game far inferior graphically to a launch game developed by Tecmo on unfinished hardware...
...I hope AM2 will develop the sequel on XBox so that you\'ll understand a lot of things;)
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« Reply #37 on: April 19, 2002, 12:58:45 PM »
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well...if you think that AM2 have produced a game far inferior graphically to a launch game developed by Tecmo on unfinished hardware...
...I hope AM2 will develop the sequel on XBox so that you\'ll understand a lot of things;)


They ported a game from a system with a totally different hardware.

I want to see AM2 make a game from the ground up on the PS2.
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« Reply #38 on: April 19, 2002, 01:06:03 PM »
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They ported a game from a system with a totally different hardware.

I want to see AM2 make a game from the ground up on the PS2.


me too! ...but the sequel of VF4 from the ground up on the XBox!
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« Reply #39 on: April 19, 2002, 01:10:28 PM »
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me too! ...but the sequel of VF4 from the ground up on the XBox!


Why not for PS2? :rolleyes:
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« Reply #40 on: April 19, 2002, 01:16:37 PM »
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Why not for PS2? :rolleyes:


because I think PS2 can\'t handle a sequel of VF4 without a drastic cut in the graphics department...but I\'m almost sure they\'ll do it...to make a lot of money...

...let\'s wait and see...
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« Reply #41 on: April 19, 2002, 05:54:57 PM »
I doubt you\'ll see a sequel this generation of consoles...there is usually a 2-3 year gap in between sequels for the VF series...

Being that each game improved upon it predecessor by a drastic measure in both visuals and play, I doubt any of the machines availabe could handel it.  Although I would love to see Sega prove me wrong...

The most we could hope for is an upgraded version sometime in the near future.
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« Reply #42 on: April 19, 2002, 06:28:12 PM »
yeah, 4 generations of virtua figthers and they maintain the "button masher" gameplay.  remarkable
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« Reply #43 on: April 19, 2002, 10:04:52 PM »
you know what else is remarkable mm  :)  sit down and actually learn the moves of the game (or any fighting game for that matter) and you will easily wipe the floor with a person who is button mashing

fighting games are made for multiplayer, not just playing against an AI opponent.. just because you might be able to button mash and finish the game, doesnt mean you will beat a human opponant

BizioEE, your being a complete *****  :)  personally i think Virtua Fighter 4 looks great, and can even compare to DoA3 in many aspects, im also waiting to see how great Tekken 4 and Soul Calibur 2 look running on a TV

also, you are talking out of you ass on many things as far as software performance is concerned.. EE is very powerful, but these effects done in software take a major hit?  please.. we just keep seeing game after game implementing these new features that were previously thought impossible

"AA cant be done on PS2"
*Volition create the first AA code for PS2*
"Lorne Lanning says AA cant be done on PS2 without a major hit"
*AA code is released that takes virtually no hit and many games start implementing it*

thats just an example, and there are many others that were previously thought impossible, then thought to take a major hit, then come out and soon many games are doing it (look at what Fasty listed for Soul Calibur)

and also listen to seven.. if the hits on PS2 are so major, and the built in hardware support is so minor.. how come PS2 is doing thesethings and XBox isnt?  because the launch games were done on incomplete hardware?  :rolleyes:

PS2 isnt as inadequate as you think

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The artstyle in VF4 practicly rapes DoA3.


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« Reply #44 on: April 20, 2002, 12:09:56 AM »
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BizioEE, your being a complete *****  :)  personally i think Virtua Fighter 4 looks great, and can even compare to DoA3 in many aspects, im also waiting to see how great Tekken 4 and Soul Calibur 2 look running on a TV


me too waiting for Tekken4...but I\'ll get SC2 for the XBox...
...you seem to not understand what I mean...you continue to get me wrong:)...Namco started to develop for PS2 in Q1 1999,I think...and only now they\'re achieving good result,they\'re finding new tricks,etc...do you think it\'s exclusive to PS2? even the best 3rd gen DC games make look the DC launch games and first games really sad...and you continue,and many others,to compare 2nd and 3rd gen of PS2 games to XBox and GCN launch games...I think it\'s really funny...above all because they can\'t even beat,overall,games like Halo and RL2!

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also, you are talking out of you ass on many things as far as software performance is concerned.. EE is very powerful, but these effects done in software take a major hit?  please.. we just keep seeing game after game implementing these new features that were previously thought impossible


it\'s how development works...and it\'s not exclusive to PS2...
...right now the best looking GCN and XBox games look sharper,cleaner than PS2 games...and how the hell do you think GCN and XBox games will look like in the next 2,3 years? like actual PS2 games? or even like future PS2 games?  you guys are funny:)...

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"AA cant be done on PS2"
*Volition create the first AA code for PS2*
"Lorne Lanning says AA cant be done on PS2 without a major hit"
*AA code is released that takes virtually no hit and many games start implementing it*


Why VF4 is full of horrible jaggies is AA can be done virtually with no hit in performance? if it\'s so easy to implement? AM2 are very talented,am I wrong?

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and also listen to seven.. if the hits on PS2 are so major, and the built in hardware support is so minor.. how come PS2 is doing thesethings and XBox isnt?  because the launch games were done on incomplete hardware?  :rolleyes:

PS2 isnt as inadequate as you think


Why PS2 developers needed almost 2 years to make,overall,better looking games than DC ?  because PS2 and DC are almost on par,overall? because of the incredible stepping magic learning curve of PS2 ?:rolleyes: nope!...each console improves year by year...DC,PS2,GCN and XBox...the only difference is that you\'ll never see the PS2 fully pushed!
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