hard puzzle

So wait, let me get this straight..  Back in the days of Einstein, people couldn\'t solve this puzzle?  Because with education comes the power to reason?  So now that the most of us are educated well enough, then most of us should be able to come up with many of Newton\'s Laws of Physics on our own, even if we had never studied any of Newton\'s laws before?

I personally believe that the power to reason is not something that can be developed through education.  If it was, then everyone in a single class in the same school would be getting the same scores because they all learned the same things.  The power of reasoning is something that the brain is capable of, and I dont think it\'s something that is taught.

Newton was able to reason well when he came up with all his Laws of Physics.  Einstein was able to reason when he came up with his famous equations.  The percentage of people with the ability to reason is not something that has increased over the years.  However knowledge and facts have increased, allowing people to apply those knowledge to their own powers of reasoning.  What shockwave was probably trying to say is that the puzzle does not require any knowledge that is given in education, simply the power to reason, which is something that is not specifically gained from proper education.

So wait, let me get this straight.. Back in the days of Einstein, people couldn\'t solve this puzzle? Because with education comes the power to reason?

Reasoning doesn\'t come with education, but instead, is increased by education.  As you grow up and learn new things, your brain figures out new ways to store, sort, and recall those things.  Not only that, but your mind develops new reasoning skills and techniques to help you solve problems.  Don\'t you remember the "story problems" back in elementary school? (or elementary school equivalent, depending on where you live )  The first reasoning skill that you were taught was (most likely) to get rid of information you don\'t need.  The second technique was probably to sort the information left over into a chart or equation or something like that.

So was what we learned in Elementary school just a time filler/busy work, or was it actually something that was beneficial to our power to reason?  I personally think the latter.

Those things actually taught to you are probably only a small fraction of our reasoning ability though.  Most of our reasoning skills were probably developed on our own while we were growing up and learning new things (like I said before, our brains were working behind the scenes figuring out new ways to understand and solve).

Originally posted by IronFist

So at 8 years old, considering that you could read the problem and know what it was asking you do do, you could have solved this without too much difficulty?  Impressive... but I\'m not so sure about that.

You\'re damn right I could have

Besides, there\'s a difference between education and intelligence.  Anyone who has enough intelligence to reason through that can solve it.

Originally posted by shockwaves
Besides, there\'s a difference between education and intelligence.  Anyone who has enough intelligence to reason through that can solve it. [/B]

"Intelligence" is increased practically the same way "Reason" is.  Like reasoning, intelligence increases through education.  You are not born with a large degree of either, but through education they can grow.

I give up on this one.

See, shock is still lying. He\'s trying to pull that trick where you don\'t have to be smart to solve it, when he\'s the one that got the answer from me. Pfft, shows how smart he is.

Originally posted by Fayded
See, shock is still lying. He\'s trying to pull that trick where you don\'t have to be smart to solve it, when he\'s the one that got the answer from me. Pfft, shows how smart he is.

...yeah, good one :rolleyes:

And I guess this depends on your definition of education.  If we are talking about it in the sense of formal education, like schooling and such, then I feel I am still very much right.  If you are talking about self education, simply from living in the world that\'s around you, and picking up on different things...well that\'s something that everyone will do, of course.

intelligence is not the same as education

einstein was not the author of this puzzle, in fact, einstein did not create any "puzzles"

its not hard, more than 2% of the population could solve it, you can buy whole books with these types of puzzles in

And I guess this depends on your definition of education. If we are talking about it in the sense of formal education, like schooling and such, then I feel I am still very much right. If you are talking about self education, simply from living in the world that\'s around you, and picking up on different things...well that\'s something that everyone will do, of course.

I think that all forms of education (in school and out, personal and through others) contribute to your power of reasoning.  In fact, I don\'t see why in-school wouldn\'t but out-of-school would...

Disc 2,

intelligence is not the same as education

Nobody ever said it was.

einstein was not the author of this puzzle, in fact, einstein did not create any "puzzles"

its not hard, more than 2% of the population could solve it, you can buy whole books with these types of puzzles in

I agree 100%.