Somebody moves from 3rd place to 2nd in America.. ;)

/me raises hand

I would have to guess the only reason GC was ever third in NA was because of the lesser number of units shipped in the early months. 1.5 xbox vs .8 mil for GC shipped through December? Something like that. Took a while to catch up in the off season, thas all.

I\'m sure Resident Evil helped with that...with the price drop, I see it attaching even more.  Especially when Metroid, StarFox, and Mario come out in a few months...

Originally posted by Blade
Nonamer: The point was that Xbox has fallen to 3rd-place status in America.

It was 2nd in sales behind PS2 since late 2001, now GameCube has edged ahead.

As for overall numbers, Europe is the only wild card.

Japan: GCN; 1.3+ million units sold. Xbox; 200~ thousand units sold.
America: GCN; 2.23 million units sold. Xbox; 2 million units sold.
Europe: GCN; 400~ thousand units sold. Xbox; Supposedly 300~ thousand units sold.. no definite number.

I\'m not bragging here, just stating the facts.

And I\'m stating that there\'s not enought "facts" to say this in America.

EDIT: Where did you get the 2 mil for Xbox in NA figure? Also, Europe is just a mess in the figures dept. Who knows who\'s doing conclusively.

*Sits back and watches debates over who is #2

my "proof" is in Nintendo\'s own numbers. I don\'t need any outside firm, CSFB or NPD, to tell me that 2.3 million is BS.

Nintendo themselves stated 1.2 million consoles sold through at the end of 2001. Now they are trying to say that by the end of March in 2002 (about 90 days after that) that they sold ANOTHER 1.1 million consoles. Equaling what they did in the busy part of the year. This means they were selling around 90,000 consoles per week average, even though PS2 wasn\'t even selling that well.

You guys believe what you want, but I find it a little ridiculous that GC could sell 90,000 consoles a week in the slowest part of the year.

XBox only needed to sell 500,000 consoles to reach 2 million by the end of march. They needed to sell around 38,000 a week, which is close to what they were averaging at the beginning of the year. Later on, they slipped to around 29,000 a week.

I win, everyone else loses. Unless they can explain how Sonic Adventure 2 and SSBM sold a million consoles in 3 months. Good luck.


Eric Jacob

Originally posted by AlteredBeast
my "proof" is in Nintendo\'s own numbers. I don\'t need any outside firm, CSFB or NPD, to tell me that 2.3 million is BS.

Nintendo themselves stated 1.2 million consoles sold through at the end of 2001. Now they are trying to say that by the end of March in 2002 (about 90 days after that) that they sold ANOTHER 1.1 million consoles. Equaling what they did in the busy part of the year. This means they were selling around 90,000 consoles per week average, even though PS2 wasn\'t even selling that well.

You guys believe what you want, but I find it a little ridiculous that GC could sell 90,000 consoles a week in the slowest part of the year.

XBox only needed to sell 500,000 consoles to reach 2 million by the end of march. They needed to sell around 38,000 a week, which is close to what they were averaging at the beginning of the year. Later on, they slipped to around 29,000 a week.

I win, everyone else loses. Unless they can explain how Sonic Adventure 2 and SSBM sold a million consoles in 3 months. Good luck.


Eric Jacob

Rock on! This site needs more people like you.

GC > xbox

(this tactic is so much easier)

ill let blade do the hard work

My argument: If MS says that Xbox is winning the US console war, you eat it up like a fly on chit.

If Nintendo says that the GameCube is winning.. after posting better numbers than Xbox in March and releasing a key title in April which further boosted the numbers.. suddenly 2.23 million is impossible and Nintendo is lying.

I dunno, that number makes sense and doesn\'t sound "made up" anyway..

uhhh, XBox > GC for now. Maybe when Nintendo gets more than 4 games out it will be better...maybe.

So Blade, you are going to tell me that instead of looking factual numbers straight in the eye, you will have this blind faith in Nintendo. So naive.

I believe MS has sold more in the US because it has many more games. Also, I work at Best Buy and we sell at least twice as many XBoxes and Gamecubes. Gamecube sales are nonexistant unless a big game comes out. I can also see sales for all the other Best Buys, and from the ones I have looked up, 9 times out of 10, XBox sells more than GC.

So when MS comes out and says "We have sold more. Here is a number that is a number that is mathematical possible for us to have acheived." I believe them. They only needed to sell 38,000 a week to acheive there reported number. Nintendo needed around 90,000.

I will say it again, and if you still don\'t wanna believe me, you are an idiot. I WIN.

http://www.consolewire.com/news/item.asp?nid=2331

1.2 million at the end of the year. If you ever want to be randomly smacked around, argue with me again. I find proving people wrong to be the only fun of this forum anymore.


Eric Jacob

They only needed to sell 38,000 a week to acheive there reported number.

you means the sales goal, THEY DRASTICALLY LOWERED?

eric, i respect ya bro, but there\'s no reason to try and throw some weight around.  if you call blade outside of his name again, yer blocked from console debating

we simpatico?

Lol......such a big argument over who is #2 in america........pathetic. Anyway isnt it GBA? Never mind the consoles what about handheld? Its getting better in graphics by the year. Who knows, maybe the next Nintendo hand held thing may have the internet.

*Head EXPLODES*


I didn\'t call him an idiot, I said if he believes those numbers are still true even after adding things up for him, then he is an idiot, along with everyone else.

Let me go through with this step by step (for our slower viewers)

1. Nintendo reports they sold 1.2 million at the end of 2001

2. Nintendo reports at the end of March in 2003, they have sold 2.3 million

3. The average sales of the Gamecube console weekly were 30,000 in that time, according the NPD TRST, the industry standard for number tracking.

4. This means, in order for Nintendo to have acheived 2.3 million, they need to sell an extra 60,000 consoles per week, through Walmart and a few other stores that represent only 40% of the nation. (not possible, in other words)

5. Through this simple addition, we can now come to the conclusion that Gamecube has NOT sold 2.3 million consoles. Being the generous man that I am, at 40,000 per week (throwing in a third for Wally word numbers), it would put Gamecube\'s numbers closer to 1,820,000.

I WIN.


Eric Jacob

/me shakes head

he has fallen off the deep end

whats this I WIN stuff?  its hella lame
its like rastalant saying "xbox what?" after seeing every screenshot

you dont happen to have links to any of these sales charts do ya?  i think i asked ya once already in this thread

Doesnt really matter x box is destined for third even if it isnt right now.