MS plans to stay but what would happen to Xbox

Originally posted by mm


there are several

There may be several, but none of then support windows games very well... which is where most of the good games are.  Not only games but yer geforce 4, et cetera... drivers would be severely limited as well.

I then refer you to my statement about Windows source code.  If the courts order it to happen... then we will see healthy compitition.

actually, m$ makes some of the best PC periphials (mice, keyboards, gamepads, etc)

isnt that what i said?  hate when i get misquoted

you said it, windows games
windows has a stranglehold on the PC market that keeps us in the dark ages of PC architecture

Originally posted by PahnCrD

There may be several, but none of then support windows games very well... which is where most of the good games are.  Not only games but yer geforce 4, et cetera... drivers would be severely limited as well.

LOL, okay, then I guess your definition of better OS\'s is something different than mine. Also, I\'m sure Microsoft has that monopoly because they support games better than all the others... :rolleyes:

Here is how IE dominated:

An excerpt from my recent paper entitled Antisoft

The primary way by which Microsoft has violated antitrust laws is the method in which Microsoft dealt with Netscape. Netscape had plans for making Netscape a platform application. This plan, however, did not correspond well with Microsoft, which, in turn, suggested that Netscape work with Microsoft in making Internet Explorer (Manes 87). Soon after, Netscape denied the partnership and continued the development of Netscape (Heilemann 133). Microsoft then resorted to a secondary plan. Because of turning down the special relationship, Netscape intentionally received the imperative remote network access (RNA) application-programming interface (API) after the holiday season forcing Netscape to postpone the release of its Windows 95 browser until significantly after the release of Windows 95, which was bundled with Internet Explorer, in August 1995 (Alsop 52). Additionally, Microsoft withheld an important scripting tool from Netscape, which was needed by Netscape to be compatible with several Internet service providers (Stone 50). Having crippled Netscape, Microsoft then focused on expanding the Internet Explorer market share. For example, Microsoft gave rewards to companies that helped to increase the Internet Explorer user base (Heilemann 143). In fact, Microsoft was so persistent in making Internet Explorer the most widely used browser that Microsoft acknowledged that it would not be making any money from Internet Explorer software (Jackson NP). Clearly, these anticompetitive tactics against Netscape show that Microsoft violated antitrust laws.

whats all this about monopoly and domination by m$,
i really dont know what all the hub bub is about, m$ did what they had to do in order to get where they r today (i.e at the top )even if it meant eleminating (for lack of a better word) the little guy(meaning other companies) , this is exactly what all companies and businessess do isnt it.

im not tryin to stand up for ms just statin my .002 cents

Originally posted by Watchdog
Bill Gates isn\'t a free mason.. he doesn\'t come from a powerful family.. but he is the richest man in the world. I am sure that makes some people sore. He is justa normal "joe" who happened to get a hell of an opurtunity... (shady or not).

so now he gets constant problems from political fronts which are traditionaly controlled by the old legacy families.

You don\'t go to harvard without money. He came from a pretty wealthy family.It\'s also how he could afford to buy all of M$ shares.

But since that is not importent, other then showing your knowleage/lack there of in the field of M$ history.

But let examine the real question here,

Blunt you may had had a bad experience with the Xbox, but I know a lot of people my self included that think the Xbox has been one of their best console, yet. But I may be able to explain you friend’s disappointment. Was he between the ages of 18-25 causes that is who the Xbox was targeted for these last 7 months.

The Xbox has and only will loss $20-50/console which is pretty good on the bigger scheme of things. Also it has a huge game attach rate. Which will more then compensate
for the low  hardware numbers. Also it sells on par with Nintendo game cube in every region with the exception of Japan, which is only ¼ of the market. It’s coming with what looks like a killer line up for this fall/holiday season on par with that of Sony or Nintendo.

And though Xbox live is shaping up to be what should like the most solid new online gaming experience.

I’m just not seeing all the mistake you are taking about please elaborate.

The Xbox has and only will loss $20-50/console which is pretty good on the bigger scheme of things. Also it has a huge game attach rate.

Where ya been? they are loosing more then $100 per console right now!

No it only $20-50 this main due to the fact that it has mostly generic Pc hardware it’s price goes down quite quickly.

That why they began to plan the resent price cut.

No it only $20-50 this main due to the fact that it has mostly generic Pc hardware it’s price goes down quite quickly.

That why they began to plan the resent price cut.

So you think it was, too bad it was not
i\'m not going to dig up all the articles that say differnt, and all the evidence cause your, frankly, not worth it

Originally posted by TheTsar
No it only $20-50 this main due to the fact that it has mostly generic Pc hardware it’s price goes down quite quickly.

That why they began to plan the resent price cut.

I agree that the production cost of an Xbox will fall quicker than the rest - but I very much doubt it\'s only $20 - 50 their loosing right now. Most parts within might be very PCish, but they still have quite a few costumized parts. All these parts aren\'t cheap and furthermore, every single manufacturer (Nvidia, Intel etc) who gets those parts for Microsoft aren\'t given it for free either.

And Microsoft didn\'t reduce the price because they wouldn\'t be loosing out on too much - but because it hasn\'t been selling.

Chrono that article has a very anti-MS slant.  

Again, I\'ve been through all of that anti trust stuff before and I\'m not going to do it again, but the fact of the matter is that all this is Netscape\'s story.  Netscate NEVER could produce documents to back up these claims nor could they sepina any of their executives that had any knowledge of this.

This is why the whole browser end of the anti-trust case was thrown out of court.  If there is anti-competitive practises they are in the grey area of the law and the courts have sided with MS so far.

Windows is the best OS--nothing else can do everything windows does.  Linux is good, but it doesn\'t have a complete dirver set nor does it have any support.

No one knows how much MS looses so don\'t throw numbers around.

AOL is ****, it\'s slow, limited and their compatability is crap.  I don\'t care how many people use it (my grandma being one) it\'s crap--and you\'re the only one who says otherwise.

Chrono that article has a very anti-MS slant.

Again, I\'ve been through all of that anti trust stuff before and I\'m not going to do it again, but the fact of the matter is that all this is Netscape\'s story. Netscate NEVER could produce documents to back up these claims nor could they sepina any of their executives that had any knowledge of this.

This is why the whole browser end of the anti-trust case was thrown out of court. If there is anti-competitive practises they are in the grey area of the law and the courts have sided with MS so far.

It\'s not all that suprising that Watchdog chooses to oversee the obvious. :rolleyes:

AOL is ****, it\'s slow, limited and their compatability is crap. I don\'t care how many people use it (my grandma being one) it\'s crap--and you\'re the only one who says otherwise.

Reread my quote once again. I never said it\'s not crap. I just pointed out the well known facts.

Chrono that article has a very anti-MS slant.

Probably all beacuse I wrote it right?

Few things:

• AOL has its sights set on M$ and does not care who they partner with to kill them.
• Microsoft threatened to exclude JAVA altogether from XP so it could promote its own .NET and Passport strategy, which if you don\'t know is groundwork for spyware.
• Spyware is already in Windows Media Player and who knows where else
• Microsoft is still in court fighting a anti-trust lawsuit brought against it by 9 states for its operating practices.

Windows is the best OS

watchdog, you kill me man  

the best desktop OS perhaps, only by brute force

how many web servers out there are m$ based?

how many loopholes and security violations are found EVERY day in NT server?

UNIX > M$