New ATi card: Radeon 9700

Originally posted by mm
and when does the ati card come out?

"the Radeon 9700, the first R300 based card from ATI, will be in stores no later than 30-days from now."

Originally posted by mm
look what they did to my beloved 3DFX

Yeah, they put out a faster card. Oh yeah, that\'s what ATi is doing now. :rolleyes:

Originally posted by mm
and since when does the fastest hardware = the best card?

PS2 > xbox, no?

We\'re talking about graphics cards, not consoles. PC gamers want to have the FASTEST cards to play their precious FPS in the highest possible framerate.

Besides, PS2 > Xbox is a moot point. It\'s all in the eyes of the beholder.

And quite frankly, saying that ATi should die is not only stupid, it\'s also ignorant. More competition and more choices is better for everyone. Even ignorant nVidea whores.

piss on ATi

they (like m$) tried to keep end users in the ice age, and look what happened.  breaking off little bits of technology (cheese) to users (rodents) so they have to keep buying and buying and buying and buying

nvidia gave its users the most they could (within price reason) all at once, AND they did it by price ranges.  GF mx, ti200, ti400

the SMALL minority of PC gamers that are capable of spending $400 on a vid card  *laff*  thats US prices too

nvidia will continue to dominate the market

just like creative labs, just like sony, just like intel, just like etc etc

better to be a devoted whore than a sheep that gets tricked and used at the latest headlines, no?

I don\'t mind if nVidia continues to dominate. As long as I have a better option people can buy Geforce all they like.

define better?

2 months after you crap away 400$, nvidia eats the field up?

Originally posted by mm
define better?

2 months after you crap away 400$, nvidia eats the field up?

I don\'t have time to list all the advantages right now, but basically it\'s faster than the fastest Geforce 4, it has new features, is DX9 compatible and all that... can list it for ya later if necessary.

But sure nVidea will show something faster. And then ATi will probably show something ever faster. Then nVidea again. Etc. Etc. But then you can wait forever.

I still don\'t get why you don\'t want nVidea to have competition, even if you plan on buying from them anyway.

Ehh, apparently mm hasn\'t read the Anandtech article.

It states, that NV30 isn\'t going to make it\'s debute til November 2002, and be shipped around January of 2003. That leaves the summer, autumn, and a little bit of winter for ATi to enjoy the speed crown.

By the time NV30 gets released, it will be faster than the 9700 (duh) but ATi\'s would have already have a refresh of the line ready, and awaiting the NV30 to stay competitive.

Did you take a look at how much better the 9700 is to the 4600 in UT2003? Q3? Jedi Knight? Serious Sam 2? And that\'s using beta drivers!

And the fact of the manner is this. Carmack endourced the 8500 now for Doom 3, and he\'s really excited bout the 9700.

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Originally posted by jm
Ehh, apparently mm hasn\'t read the Anandtech article.

It states, that NV30 isn\'t going to make it\'s debute til November 2002, and be shipped around January of 2003. That leaves the summer, autumn, and a little bit of winter for ATi to enjoy the speed crown.

By the time NV30 gets released, it will be faster than the 9700 (duh) but ATi\'s would have already have a refresh of the line ready, and awaiting the NV30 to stay competitive.

Did you take a look at how much better the 9700 is to the 4600 in UT2003? Q3? Jedi Knight? Serious Sam 2? And that\'s using beta drivers!

And the fact of the manner is this. Carmack endourced the 8500 now for Doom 3, and he\'s really excited bout the 9700.

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Yes, thank you. I\'ll read more on the card later, but it sure sounds like a winner. I don\'t care if it says ATi or nVidea on the card, if it\'s good - it\'s good.

There\'s also a nice article on it here - there\'s a chart comparing specs of Radeon 8500, 9700 and Ti 4600. Quite interesting.

Ati = shite

no amount of rambling and techspeak from you two will convince me otherwise

:P

hahahah, thats why I love you

Did they give any numbers on what they thought the initial price of the NV30 would be?

i would say $399

that seems to be the barrier

The real question is how much it will be from newegg.com b/c if I buy either one, that\'s where I\'ll get it.

i just go to bestbuy and steal them.