Why does everybody hate Hideo Kojima????

I don\'t mind interactive movies. I just don\'t think the media should shrug off what built this industry.

Hideo is one of the best programmers in my opinion and made some classic games as well.

[Bobs_Hardware]

Blade, you can\'t be misinformed on what is a good game or not, its called opinion

This is such an over-rated topic.

We\'ve already determined Hideo\'s good points and bad points.

Bob: Hehe, yeah.. in general it\'s a preference thing.

The fact that Kojima is the first game development person I\'ve ever seen in Newsweek doesn\'t help that though.

It just gives me the (potentially false) impression that Newsweek doesn\'t play too many games.. since MGS2 wasn\'t exactly the apex of gaming last year. He just seemed to get th\' spotlight because MGS2 was arguably the most movie-like of any game last year. I didn\'t see any praise for other developers.. just Kojima.

Not even his stinking development team was featured or even mentioned.. not that I would expect them to be.

What happened to all the talk of passing on the series to others so he could be free to develop new projects?

I read he enjoys playing Pokemon with his five year old son, that\'s enough to make him a great guy in my book.

In a magazine I dont remember which(could be newsweek?) kojima was characterized as one of the most important people among novel writers,movie directors etc.
Which could mean it wasnt just the movie approach of the game.It was also the plot.


I dont think there was ever a game with such a plot.With such themes.Such subjects.EVER.Even if it was less of an "interactive movie",had less cut scenes,if it was longer,had more features etc IMO it would have still been in Newsweek.

Games like halo although are great,revolutionary in their way, can not be compared with a book or a movie because of their plot.The plot exists as an excuse for the enviroments,the enemy,the main character,the allies etc.As for MGS1 and 2 the plot does not exist as an excuse.The game depends on the plot and the plot depends on the meanings and messages the "creator" wants to send to the "viewers".

Not all movies win awards.Not all movies have special articles deticated exclusively to them in mags(check what kind of these movies are most of them and their themes).The same is for books.And in games MGS:SOL happens to be the first.

And MG cannot be compared with any book of merit.  Thanks for the laugh.

[Bobs_Hardware]

Hey Blade, I guess that\'s your opinion.. Personally I thought MGS2 was one of the greatest games ever.  The plot was exceptional and I personally don\'t get why people were confused by it

But if the game turned you off because of the plot, perhaps you should try and play through the game again and ignore the plot and just play the game.  The problem with the game is that it is too involved with the story and all the gameplay elements arent necessary like in the first one.  Which is why I feel for some people it\'s much better to play through and just have fun with all the gameplay elements.

The worst example of this cinematic style gaming from Kojima is Z.O.E.  Fantastic gameplay ruined by the annoying story and repetitive battles.  They should have made it much more like a standard Mech game with upgrades and such ramble ramble ramble ramble. I\'m done.

Originally posted by Watchdog
And MG cannot be compared with any book of merit.  Thanks for the laugh.

Hey!!And any movie in the world can not be compared with any book of merit.
AND I AM TALKING ABOUT THE PLOT!!THE STORY!!NOT HOW GOOD WRITTEN IT IS!!nothing can be compared with a book at that.
MGS is the closest think you can get in games.

I haven\'t played MGS2, Bob.. I\'m just going on the multiple impressions and reviews I read when it came out.

Originally posted by Unicron!


Hey!!And any movie in the world can not be compared with any book of merit.
AND I AM TALKING ABOUT THE PLOT!!THE STORY!!NOT HOW GOOD WRITTEN IT IS!!nothing can be compared with a book at that.
MGS is the closest think you can get in games.

No.  There are very fine movies that compare very favourably to books.  I would rank Citizen Kane up there with any book.  I don\'t know what point you are trying to make or why you are getting so upset.

You want to talk about plot. Okay, MG is shitty and cliched and overdone in that aspect too.  Have you read a book?  I don\'t know why people around here prop that game up as a marvel of narrantology.  They should try and make games or hire writers with talent.

[Bobs_Hardware]

Originally posted by Watchdog



No.  There are very fine movies that compare very favourably to books.  I would rank Citizen Kane up there with any book.  I don\'t know what point you are trying to make or why you are getting so upset.

You want to talk about plot. Okay, MG is shitty and cliched and overdone in that aspect too.  Have you read a book?  I don\'t know why people around here prop that game up as a marvel of narrantology.  They should try and make games or hire writers with talent.

But Orsen Welles is dead..

Actually I don\'t really think MGS2\'s plot is cliched.. I think certain aspects of it are for sure, but overall i found it a compelling conspiracy theory with originality.. I know you\'ll never agree to this tho

But if you don\'t like the plot, go play through the game again and ignore the plot and just have FUN!  That\'s the problem with it, its so narrative driven that it doesnt let you play the game fully.. or even about 5% of the gameplay it offers.  As much as I personally loved the story, the best fun was fighting alongside Snake, and just playing around with the guards (trying to take out a heap of guards using an automatic door and claymores = :D:D)

[Bobs_Hardware]

Hey Watchdog, as great of a film that Citizen Kane isdo you really think it\'s storyline is superior to any game?  Or as good as Any book?  I mean.. A young poor boy goes to the city under the care of a rich man.  He then starts a newspaper business, gets rich and starts a bigger newspaper business.. it grows into an empire and he becomes one of (the?) richest men in america.. he dies and his last word is "Rosebud".. so a reporter tries to find out what "Rosebud" is..

That surely (at least in my opinion) isnt better than some games, isnt better than some books, it isnt even better than some movies.  The point that Unicron was trying to make is the one I am about to make.  Are you really engrossed by Citizen Kane\'s story?  Or the way the story is told?  Because all medias (games, movies and books) require different techniques to tell their stories (although some examples try and blend techniques).. I don\'t see why you should discriminate against a games story (unless it actually is horrible) just because it isnt told with the same techniques as a movie or book.. because it cant... if it tries it will lose the gameplay which is so crucial to games (see. MGS2)

Or perhaps it\'s just the style of the story being told?  Do you not like the style of a story like Final Fantasy 7?  What type of books or movies do you think are the epitome of storyline?  Do you think Lord of the Rings has a great story?  etc. etc.

I\'m very curious in all this as you can see .  But all I can say is, if I can still be entertained by a Videogame\'s storyline and you can\'t.. then I\'d hate to be you  No offense..

Hmmm, when I was in Artsacademy we had Movie analysis classes. It covered the whole lot, form Eisenstein to the
Hollywood studio system. Yeah, every week we had to see
a "classic". Citizen Kane we did see, and you know what ?
I almost fell asleep :snore:  during this movie. Of course I
recognize what made this movie have such status, but MGS
kept me awake very long instead of making me sleepy.
Yeah, it\'s a bit cliched story, but the way it\'s intergrated into
the game makes it fresh and good. MGS2 made me a bit
sleepy though....