Think the PC architecture of the Xbox is holding it back?

The xbox is more powerful, there should be no debate.

Did I say in my post that it was not?
I\'m just saying that the ps2 touches it on some levels, it does not surpass it.
And I found it surprising that a 2 year gap would only lead to some "minor" improvments. I was just speculating that the PC archatecture might have something to do with keeping it from excelling.

Originally posted by Watchdog

Also, as Beast suggested, look at truly the two year difference and look at launch games for the PS2 and compare them with lauch games for the xbox.  There is two years there.

Then again you cant compare that way because of the difference in the hardware.

Yes mm, there are two or three ports that fail on the xbox, but there are dozens more that are superior.

Yes, Chrono, that is what you said.  My point was that looking back two years on the PC and compare those games with today\'s and there is the same minor differences: texture, lighting and effects.  The hardware revolution is slowing, five-ten years ago two years difference was night and day.  Today, it\'s not that wide a margin.


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Then again you cant compare that way because of the difference in the hardware.
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Yes, that\'s the point of all this no?

Yes, Chrono, that is what you said.

Umm, no
When you can read, come back and debate

The ps2 should not be able to match the xbox in any respect considering the 18 months between launches.

this is what ive been saying all along

sure the xbox is more powerfull on paper, but not 18 months powerfull

every game that should make my jaw drop makes my eyes bleed in 30 fps hell

Like I said, compare launch titles.  That\'s two years, and it shows.

What I said is that teh PC hasn\'t evolved that much in two years either.

30fps hell, MM?

I prefer 60fps myself.. but 30fps (on a console) has never really bothered me enough to call it "hell"..

again, watch (as a typical zealot) yer comparing launch titles SOLELY on graphics

and the XBOX games should have looked better as they came out 18 months later, no?

I really, sincerely, hope that everyone here who goes off about how much better the Xbox\'s graphics are than the PS2\'s is playing their Xbox on HDTV or otherwise in full VGA. On a standard TV, the difference between the two is extreemely neglegable.

Regular TV\'s = teh sukkeh!!11

Yeah, I play both on an HD tube.  Sonyfan does have a point.

mm, that\'s the debate: graphics.  I agree they should look better, they do look better.  I\'m not the one suggesting anything different.  Like I said, there shouldn\'t even be a debate.

Yes, it is a old debate, yet it\'s always amusing to see us debate on the same points over and over again. The Xbox is better, but it is also worse. I have said this and it\'s not deniable. While Xbox may be better in the whole run, it is certainly not by 2 years ahead. Not even a year probably... we\'ll see, I guess.

As for comparing PS2 launch games to Xbox launch games. I really don\'t know why this is even brought up. Honestly, the PS2 is known for its complex and different architecture, yet we always get confronted with the same arguements over and over again. I guess you can\'t blame anyone, as most people aren\'t confronted with the problems a developer must go through. Bearing in mind that the PS2 is far more complex to use than any console outthere, I don\'t see why we are comparing rushed launch games to launch games on a platform, which was hyped up to be 3 times more powerful and at that easy to develop for. What happened?

Some people are forgeting one big and sad fact here: the Xbox was designed to be easy to develop for. The whole architecture is nothing new, yet it also incorporates the same DirectX, which bear in mind, is used in todays PC development. Most effects don\'t need to be programmed, their basically there ready for action. Yet, we still argue and get confronted with the same old comparasment? Why?

The true beauty of a game does not lie within it\'s graphics, rather in the gameplay, it\'s unfortunate for X-Box owners, and those who only own an X-box that games are not judged soley on graphics.  Gameplay is the backbone of any game, graphics make a good hype and may blow away the mind, but if the game plays like crap well... you\'ve got a problem.  Just look at the Bouncer.

(OMG, I used a horrible PS2 game that I bought as an example)

Uhhhhhhhhhhh...........xbox is the most powerful hardware ever.  I think the pc arcgutuecture has its advangates and very few disadvantages.  But overall i think xbox is the best and most powerful hardware for the console market.  Oh yeah what about the X!!!!!!!!!!!!  Oh yeah by the way chrono all hardware has its disadvantages yes even ps2.  :smokin:

Originally posted by The Hurricane
The true beauty of a game does not lie within it\'s graphics, rather in the gameplay, it\'s unfortunate for X-Box owners,

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rastalant, check theses ingame screens out!  Brute Force is coming out Oct. 2002!  

http://xengamers.com/docs/previews/elements/8165-1.jpg
http://xengamers.com/docs/previews/elements/8165-2.jpg
http://xengamers.com/docs/previews/elements/8165-3.jpg
http://xengamers.com/docs/previews/elements/8165-4.jpg

Originally posted by pstwo

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rastalant, check theses ingame screens out!  Brute Force is coming out Oct. 2002!  

http://xengamers.com/docs/previews/elements/8165-1.jpg
http://xengamers.com/docs/previews/elements/8165-2.jpg
http://xengamers.com/docs/previews/elements/8165-3.jpg
http://xengamers.com/docs/previews/elements/8165-4.jpg

Whoa thats looking sweet pstwo thanks again!!!!  Brute Force is looking better and better.  The graphics are amazing i hope the gameplay goes along with it.