Something about XBOX that pisses me off.

Sonyfan, you tell me about this tech matters than.  If you know more than that site about the Xbox.   Let\'s here it.  I can get more out but lets here it from you first.

I\'m trying to encourage discussion here pstwo.. and you can\'t discuss/debate an issue by simply using copy/pastes of editorials from other sites. You can use experts and examples to elaborate on your own explanations, but don\'t sit here and just post articals then laugh at people who actually take the time to put some thought into their posts. It makes you look brainwashed, and you\'re better than that pstwo.

pstwo needs to grow some balls and explain himself.

Tekken 4 was an excellent first attempt at a fully 3D environment. It is also a graphical masterpiece. NAMCO have said that its fixed alot of probs in the PAL version.

Originally posted by ##RaCeR##
pstwo needs to grow some balls and explain himself.

pstwo - that "tech site" (I am overly confident that you copy/pasted that off amandtech\'s review) gives a wrong impression and furthermore is full of mistakes. For example, they state a bus of 3.2 GB/s between the EE and the GS, when infact it\'s only a 1.2 GB/s connection. I could go on about the mistakes in that article but it really isn\'t worth it.

Posting articles to prove a point is really lame - especially if you don\'t understand shit.

Technically, doesn\'t the GS kill the Nvidia?

Hardly.. maybe in one or two pretty insignificant areas, but overall the Nvidia is far more powerful.

Xbox = GPU does the bulk of the graphics processing.

PS2 = EE does the bulk of the graphics processing.

Xbox = Weak ass processor

PS2 = Hulking goliath of a processor

Least, that\'s how I\'ve always understood it.

I don\'t care which hardware is technically superior.  All I need to do is look at th ened result on my TV and all the specs you can throw at me don\'t mean shit.

Why doesn\'t the GS do the bulk of PS2 graphics? Isn\'t the EE designed for things like AI?

Because the PS2 was designed somewhat logically. The GS only renders and performs certain effects that are mostly only implemented before the rendering process beginns (i.e. AA). Also, the bandwidth isn\'t all that much (1.2 GB/s), so devs should only send displaylists and textures to achieve good results.

On Xbox, you have a GPU that has to do way more than just rendering. The NV2a even has to perform complex perspecticve transformations - a task which on PS2 is handled by one vector-unit. All in all, bandwidth requirement on Xbox should be much higher because they all connect via a UMA. That\'s also a reason to why AA is not used in 90% of Xbox games (yet).

Its all so friggen confusing.

[Titan]

All I care is what is on my TV. I don\'t care about power. I just use it for bragging rights

Originally posted by Watchdog
I don\'t care which hardware is technically superior.  All I need to do is look at th ened result on my TV and all the specs you can throw at me don\'t mean shit.

For once, ur rite.

get over it people.

The XBOX is superior hardware.

THE END.

But the PS2 is the king of this console generation.

THE END

Coz superior hardware DOES NOT EQUAL superior games!!!!

THE END!!!!!

Originally posted by KuJoBLeeK
My friend with an Xbox raves about it 24/7 aobut how  tis so much better then ps2  and blah blahb blah and how live is gonna be so much better then  the ethernet adapter. i needs peopels opinions on taht cause he gets the idea of  games other than MMORPG\'s are gonna ask for your money to play it

I dont think that XBOX live will play such a crucial role to the industry like many people think. I still and will always prefer my PC for FREE quality online gaming and all that with a humble 64K ISDN line. I get pings around 110 to 150 and have little problems or lags whatsoever. Its like playing single player. But XBOX-live demands a broadband connection when the majority of the US (not to say the entire world) is online with plain old narrowband. In my opinion, XBOX live will be in the beggining a priviledge of the few, a "made by US and for the US" feature. At least for sometime until broadband evolves and becomes more available. But even then, i doubt that XBOX owners that already have a PC will jump on to the XBOX as their online gaming "solution". I hope it will succeed for Microsoft but as long as PC online gaming exists, i doubt that XBOX-live will have the results that Microsoft expects.

[Bobs_Hardware]

I think what Watchdog and Racer (and others, sorry to single you two out) is that you are using examples of a few choice games.

What I dislike about PS2\'s graphics is how it seems like most games only have a dozen colours in them

I find that Tekken 4 is one of the few PS2 games that actually has fully bright colours. It looks excellent. It shows that the PS2 can not only do anti aliasing well at 60fps, but also have super bright, but not overtly creamy colours.

It\'s pretty easy to do that to the opposite effect as well.  I could simply say, go play Jak & Daxter, Klonoa, Final Fantasy X blah blah blah.  As many PS2 (and XBox) games that suffer with these problems, there are as many that do NOT.

I don\'t even know what point I was making.