9.11.01,Where were you, and what were you doing?

I remember I was in computer school at the time.  A few of us were online at newgrounds when someone ran in and said the World Trade Center was hit by a plane.  Some had told him shut the F*** up and we all want back to what we were doing.  Then the guy next to me went on the yahoo news site and found out it was true then the whole class went to various news sites and saw the plane crash and watched real time video streams the rest of the day till school was over.  

Then when I got home I watched the tower come down on channel 4 news.  I didn\'t actually feel sad just a little shocked that something like that actually happened.  It\'s a day I\'ll always remember though I didn\'t shed a single tear or anything like that; it\'s just one of those things that you can\'t forget no matter how hard you try.

Sorry if I don\'t take the bleeding heart liberal stance on the Palestinian issue.  I could post some examples of experiences in dealing with Arabs long before there was even a state of Israel, but I won\'t as a matter of not offending anyone.
 

Also a little history lesson:  The Arabs have twice tried to destroy Israel and both times have gotten their asses handed to them.  In both occassions they were the aggressor.  Don\'t preach to me about how the poor Palestinians suffer... their Arab brothers don\'t particularly like them either, especially after they were shown celebrating in the streets after the Trade Centers were hit.  Arafat condones violence - not publicly, but privately.

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Well I was in a break from school around 14:00 (2:00pm for some of you). I was called out of my room shortly after the first plane hit. I watched the 2nd plane hit. It was funny, because first I and even the reporter thought this was a pilot or navigator error or something.

But on the other subject of this thread. It really seems mm, SonyFan and Luckee are the only ones with sense and not just blinded by patrotism. It\'s so true that if it had happened anywhere else most of you wouldn\'t give a jack sh!t about it.
And the ignorance when you are calling the palstinians bad guys, whoa you\'ve got nothing and are fighing for your land and freedom. In this case, the Isralies are the bad guys. Something that always stuck in my mind was when the Palistines bombed an empty field in Israely terrotory, it was empty no damage done what so ever, and in retaliation they bombed a school. Great move for the good guys :rolleyes:

Well sorry if don\'t take a hard edge pro-american only approach to the situation. I\'ve seen what this country is capable of.. on TV and in my History books.. and not a whole lot of it was morally right, or even condoned by the doctrine our country was founded on. But it was blood shed for the intent of looking out for "American interests".

Like I said.. I don\'t condone their actions. I simply try to understand and simpathise with them. Wouldn\'t you do the same if you were in their shoes? The NA\'s did. There\'s a lil recent history lesson for ya. Many traditional NA\'s on their reservations, while not admitting it publicly, supported the Palestinian celebrations. At least, those who weren\'t too busy getting drunk or cleaning up the casinos while worrying if their homes would be the next to go when the American Gov\'t decides they need to take jus a bit more of their territory. It\'s not like they have any greater love for us than the Palestinians do for Isriel. After all, it wasn\'t even more than 50 years ago that various groups of militant NA\'s were conducting terrorist attacks on various US locals because of the wrongs we\'ve done to them.. and are still doing to them to this day. Hmm, but maybe you didn\'t hear about that. After all.. noone really gives a sh*t about them anymore. It must be a sad thing to have your entire race, once proud and full of culture, reduced to a few handfuls of refugees living in pillaged strips of land.. only to be ignored completely by the rest of the world until your heritage fades into nothing. Can\'t blame the Palestinians for wanting to avoid that fate at all costs.

So yeah.. I identify with anyone who\'s forcibly pushed from their homelands which they\'ve occupied for thousands upon thousands of years by outsiders and put into "territories" which are slowly too getting stripped away from them. Even if I can\'t bring myself to condone or applaud their actions, I can try to understand the level of desperation they must feel in order to be pushed into preforming these acts of terror.

Heh, I jus thought of something. Perhaps I am looking at this in the American way after all. The truely (N) American way. Hetch etu Aloh.

People always mention these "terrorist actions" by the pal\'s but you sometimes have to think that their hands have certainly been forced. When you cant fight a conventional war b/c you know you will loose, you have to do as much as possible untill the field is even somewhat. Its like kicking the bigger guy in the family jewels to grab an advantage or equal things out some.

While the above staement may seem like it, I dont condone suicide bombings that usually end up injuring the innocent instead of military personel, but I CERTAINLY understand why they are doing it. It\'s almost a matter of no choice

Originally posted by SonyFan


Like I said.. I don\'t condone their actions. I simply try to understand and simpathise with them. Wouldn\'t you do the same if you were in their shoes? The NA\'s did. There\'s a lil recent history lesson for ya. Many traditional NA\'s on their reservations, while not admitting it publicly, supported the Palestinian celebrations. At least, those who weren\'t too busy getting drunk or cleaning up the casinos while worrying if their homes would be the next to go when the American Gov\'t decides they need to take jus a bit more of their territory. It\'s not like they have any greater love for us than the Palestinians do for Isriel. After all, it wasn\'t even more than 50 years ago that various groups of militant NA\'s were conducting terrorist attacks on various US locals because of the wrongs we\'ve done to them.. and are still doing to them to this day.

WTF... where did you get this information?  Native Americans celebrating the World Trade Center attacks?  What are these schools teaching you now a days?  Some revisionist history it seems.  Our countries growth was "Manifest Destiny" and you wouldn\'t have what you do today was it not for that.  

I am so sick of this politically correct BS.  So basically I should feel bad that my ancestors came to this country in the 1600\'s, fought for its independence, fought for the North in the Civil War, fought the Germans and Austrians in WWI, went back in WW2 to preserve freedom and the American way of life?  

This Y generation should be called "Clinton Youth", bunch of sickening pacifist do nothings.  Why don\'t you talk to some of the people that fought in WW2 who were only 18-19 years old at the time.  Instead of going to college and playing with their PS2\'s they served their country without hesitation.  Would you do the same?

I just can\'t see your justification of what happened on 9/11 in any of your posts.  Bringing Native Americans into it is like mixing apples and oranges.

Originally posted by luckee
People always mention these "terrorist actions" by the pal\'s but you sometimes have to think that their hands have certainly been forced. When you cant fight a conventional war b/c you know you will loose, you have to do as much as possible untill the field is even somewhat. Its like kicking the bigger guy in the family jewels to grab an advantage or equal things out some.

While the above staement may seem like it, I dont condone suicide bombings that usually end up injuring the innocent instead of military personel, but I CERTAINLY understand why they are doing it. It\'s almost a matter of no choice

So you condone radical Islamic terrorist...  Their "cause" gives peaceful Islamic followers a bad name. There is no "cause" that anyone should agree with, when they are killing people because they believe that is their ticket to heaven.

Your don\'t understand jack sh!t, just like half the other people here that think "we brought this on ourselves"

No, Like I said, I understand some direction of where they are comming from.

BTW, I s\'pose you have the answers then?

Originally posted by GigaShadow
This Y generation should be called "Clinton Youth", bunch of sickening pacifist do nothings.  Why don\'t you talk to some of the people that fought in WW2 who were only 18-19 years old at the time.  Instead of going to college and playing with their PS2\'s they served their country without hesitation.  Would you do the same?

Yeah, and I\'m sure they were all really excited and happy about it. They really loved the horrors of war and they weren\'t nervous about it, they didn\'t vomit when watching their friends shot down like cannon fodder.

Please, not everyone acts like a movie star in "Pearl Harbor". I\'m not saying most of them weren\'t patriots or whatnot, but to say they were just THAT much better than \'us\' is BS. Glamourized BS.

Originally posted by luckee
No, Like I said, I understand some direction of where they are comming from.

BTW, I s\'pose you have the answers then?

No offense Luckee, but you need to learn more about what you are talking about.

No I don\'t have the answers.

I\'m blinded by patriotism.....Thus, having no answers.

Originally posted by Samwise
Yeah, and I\'m sure they were all really excited and happy about it. They really loved the horrors of war and they weren\'t nervous about it, they didn\'t vomit when watching their friends shot down like cannon fodder.

Please, not everyone acts like a movie star in "Pearl Harbor". I\'m not saying most of them weren\'t patriots or whatnot, but to say they were just THAT much better than \'us\' is BS. Glamourized BS.

Who the hell is referring to Pearl Harbor?  Not me.  I am talking about Normandy - and no I am not referring to Saving Private Ryan either.  Yes they were nervous and scared, but they did it.  There is no glamour in it, just honor and respect.  Something a lot of people could learn today.  I am sorry Samwise, but I am not a teenager nor do I get my opinions from movies.  Its called talking to those people who actually experienced it.

Originally posted by Dajo
No I don\'t have the answers.

I\'m blinded by patriotism.....Thus, having no answers.

Is that a jab at me?

Ace

I used a movie reference to show my point; it doesn\'t mean you or I mentioned it before.

I just got a bit mad about you basically saying how \'our\' generation is shitty compared to \'the good old days\' where people would fight back. You just can\'t generalize to that extreme extent.

Originally posted by Samwise
I used a movie reference to show my point; it doesn\'t mean you or I mentioned it before.

I just got a bit mad about you basically saying how \'our\' generation is shitty compared to \'the good old days\' where people would fight back. You just can\'t generalize to that extreme extent.

Before I start - a few things about me:  I am 34 married, have a son 10 months old, employed, college graduate and not religious at all.

I have to disagree Samwise, our generation is crap.  I don\'t think the generation that fought WW2 didn\'t have issues as well, but they came together during a time of crisis to defeat a common enemy of the free world.  Our generation seems more concerned with having a good time and not owning up to responsibility.  I am not saying this applies to everyone because it most definitely doesn\'t.  

I wonder if the same people who are justifying the 9/11 attacks will justify them if a nuclear device is set off on American or British soil?  I wonder if they will take the same "its our fault" tone.  It wouldn\'t surprise me if they did.