9/11/01 Forum Topics...

Originally posted by GigaShadow


It really makes me sick that some on this board are insinuating that what the terrorists did was justified due to American foreign policy.

With me, it isnt about the terrorists being justified in their actions, but more of an understanding as to why they did it. MOst act like they hate us for no reason and just do what they do to be evil.

Lets look at britain for a moment, Im not sure about most things that involve the british government, but I certainly do not hear about terroristic attacks aimed at britains home nor british embassies. Then again, they aren\'t involved in everything around the world either.

Originally posted by Ace
Why don\'t some of you just say what you want to say . . . We deserved to be hit. It was our fault.

You deserved to be hit. It was your fault.

But seriously, you did get hit partly because of your foreign policy. Even if it was \'fair\' or not. That\'s not to say the terrorists were not complete assholes to do what they did. I think they are. But I also gotta agree with the people who don\'t \'swallow the media hype\' so easily. To each his own I guess.

Originally posted by luckee


Lets look at britain for a moment, Im not sure about most things that involve the british government, but I certainly do not hear about terroristic attacks aimed at britains home nor british embassies. Then again, they aren\'t involved in everything around the world either.

Well we have been under attack (until recently) from the IRA = Irish Republican Army, plus out of the Attacks on the WTC the second highest casualties (after American Nationals) were British.

Also we had the Iranian Embassy siege during the mid 80’s

also even Scotland had our biggest terrorist attack

the Lockbie bombing

Originally posted by luckee


With me, it isnt about the terrorists being justified in their actions, but more of an understanding as to why they did it. MOst act like they hate us for no reason and just do what they do to be evil.

Lets look at britain for a moment, Im not sure about most things that involve the british government, but I certainly do not hear about terroristic attacks aimed at britains home nor british embassies. Then again, they aren\'t involved in everything around the world either.

Uh maybe you were too young, but the IRA regularly attacked London with bombings in the 80\'s and early 90\'s.  Was that justified too?

ooseven, I do not know the backround between the IRA and britain so I cant comment on that. For that fact..cant comment on the embassy seige in Iran. Can you fill me in on that backround?

As for the WTC, when I meant attacks, I basically meant on said soil...like in britain or an embassy..a warship..etc..

Originally posted by Samwise
You deserved to be hit. It was your fault.

But seriously, you did get hit partly because of your foreign policy. Even if it was \'fair\' or not. That\'s not to say the terrorists were not complete assholes to do what they did. I think they are. But I also gotta agree with the people who don\'t \'swallow the media hype\' so easily. To each his own I guess.

Oh please this American Foreign Policy excuse is quite old.  Bin Laden is pissed off about the Crusades (that was Europe not the US), pissed off that we get what he considers cheap oil and is upset that we have a small troop presence in Saudi Arabia.  Well if it wasn\'t for Saddam we wouldn\'t have to be there.  Saddam first tried to invade Iran and failed so he went after Kuwait.  Sure our interest lies in the oil, but it also lies in the stability of the region.  Besides a country may not annex territory of another country so he was violating international law.  

The Palestinian issue is not really his motivating factor.  It is just an easy excuse for him to rally support in the rest of the Arab world.

Originally posted by luckee
ooseven, I do not know the backround between the IRA and britain so I cant comment on that. For that fact..cant comment on the embassy seige in Iran. Can you fill me in on that backround?

As for the WTC, when I meant attacks, I basically meant on said soil...like in britain or an embassy..a warship..etc..

Oh lets not forget the Falkland Island Conflict with Argentina.

Originally posted by luckee
ooseven, I do not know the backround between the IRA and britain so I cant comment on that. For that fact..cant comment on the embassy seige in Iran. Can you fill me in on that backround?

As for the WTC, when I meant attacks, I basically meant on said soil...like in britain or an embassy..a warship..etc..

sorry but i added The Lockbie bombing at a letter stage (see edited version)
here we have the bombing of a passenger jet over UK soil, the bombing was designed to

either hit a populated area which it DID

or

if it flight was on time the flight (it was actualy delayed) it would have been over DoonRay Nuclear power plant  


so as you can see the United Kingdom is not exempt from terrorist attack.

Screw the press, screw the government.These things we seem to not be able to control anymore. All I say  is, PRAY,in your own way, for the Victims of hate. AMEN

Originally posted by ooseven


sorry but i added The Lockbie bombing at a letter stage (see edited version)
here we have the bombing of a passenger jet over UK soil, the bombing was designed to

either hit a populated area which it DID

or

if it flight was on time the flight (it was actualy delayed) it would have been over DoonRay Nuclear power plant  


so as you can see the United Kingdom is not exempt from terrorist attack.

darn, you would only explain that one, that is the only one I have any real knowledge about. I only vaguely remember watching the news and them mentioning the IRA attacks, but I never knew what it was all supposedly about.

Well a simplified answer is that….

the terror attack was a result of a air strike on Libya and the attempt on the life of it’s revolutionary Leader Col. Muammar Abu Minyar al-QADHAFI

the air strike was made due to evidence that Libya was sponsoring and training international terrorists.

no, no no..lol That is about the only instance you mentioned that I did know about, it was the embassy seige in iran and the IRA attacks that I only remember seeing on the news, but had no real idea about what the were about.

Oh please this American Foreign Policy excuse is quite old. Bin Laden is pissed off about the Crusades (that was Europe not the US), pissed off that we get what he considers cheap oil and is upset that we have a small troop presence in Saudi Arabia. Well if it wasn\'t for Saddam we wouldn\'t have to be there. Saddam first tried to invade Iran and failed so he went after Kuwait. - Giga

Wow.. so it\'s all cut & dry jus like that huh? Saddam was pissed off at Iran so he decided to beat up on a smaller country in order to feel better about himself, and Osama is still upset about the Crusades that happened over a thousand years ago.

Gee, I wish I could live in such a simple world. How bout elaborating a bit next time bud.

(Note: I have never ONCE, in any of my posts, said the terrorists were justified in 9/11. If you\'re still miffed about that, blame yourself.. because you totally missed the boat on that one. It WASN\'T our fault, although our forign policies did fan the flames.. which is hard to doubt. It couldn\'t be helped.. any action you take is going to be opposed by someone, and if they\'re fanatical enough and rich enough you\'ll get a situation like 9/11 just about every time. If it wasn\'t Al-Queda, it would have been someone else.)

They were so upset about our foreign policy,  in the days before they were going to meet the 70 virgins they were promised, they decided to hit a nudie bar.

You give them too much credit.

Ace

Well lets see my unenlightened SonyFan...

Iran has an Islamic Fundamentalist Goverment and Iraq has a dictatorship.  Thats not too hard to fathom is it?  What needs to be elaborated?  The Iranians are Persian and the Iraqi\'s are Arabs.  Two more differences.  

Now this isn\'t to say that monster wasn\'t our own creation.  Since you seem to think I am blindly patriotic :rolleyes: I will be the first to admit that the situation with Iraq is our own doing.  When Iraq invaded Iran we were more than happy to supply Saddam with whatever he wanted and turn a blind eye to his methods.  Since the Iranian hostage crisis was still fresh in our memory we took the old and enemy of our enemy is our ally approach.  Little did we know that he had greater ambitions than just Iran.  

Our second shortcoming was the 1st Bush\'s fault.  We should have removed Saddam when we had the chance back during Desert Storm.  Now we are faced with a pissed off dictator who is trying to acquire weapons of mass destruction to use God knows where.  

Everyone knows the US isn\'t perfect and a policy today might indeed be detrimental in the future, but that is the game of politics.

As for Osama - it is well documented that he is still upset about (amongst other things) the Christian Crusades (which he still calls the Americans and the Europeans to this day), the Moors being driven from Spain AND the fact he feels we buy our oil too cheaply and that the WEST as a whole owes the Arab world 6 trillion dollars because of this.  Search CNN, FoxNews or any other newsite and I am sure you find documentation of his views.  He could care less about the Palestinians.  His major bone of contention lies with Western society.  

Finally since you want to start flinging insults around - get an education, I am still pondering your comparison of the Native Americans to the Palestinians post.  The Palestinians DID have a country AFTER Israel was formed, but their Arab brothers underestimated Israel and got their clocks cleaned.  After all the Arab Israeli conflicts Israel occupied the West Bank, the Gaza Strip and the Golan Heights to set up a protective buffer around Israel.  

Check this link http://www.jajz-ed.org.il/100/maps/part.html

The Palestinians had their own country set up by the UN, but the Arabs rejected having any Jewish entity in Palestine.  Then they attacked Israel -

http://www.jajz-ed.org.il/100/maps/invade.html

Nice map I especially like the quote about kill all the jews...

There are more links on this page, but as you can see the Arabs did it to themselves because they could not co exist with a non Arab nation.  

So comparing the Palestinians to the NA\'s is quite ridiculous in my opinion.