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« Reply #30 on: September 12, 2002, 10:18:26 PM »
Gamecube\'s top guns now are Midway and Acclaim.

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« Reply #31 on: September 12, 2002, 11:42:58 PM »
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Is it just me, or does this remind anyone of when Sony entered the market?

Just saying... :)


Can you refresh my memory? What developers did they buy?

To say the least, I\'m not mad about Rare being bought out my Microsoft - it doesn\'t affect me, although Rare would have been a good reason to get GameCube. Guess that won\'t be happening now...

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« Reply #32 on: September 13, 2002, 06:09:10 AM »
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Can you refresh my memory? What developers did they buy?



I\'ll answer this one with a quote from Altered:

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They don\'t buy companies that make games for other systems, nor exclusive titles (hides Tomb Raider and Psygnosis)


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« Reply #33 on: September 13, 2002, 07:17:15 AM »
me/ sees Tomb Raider for Saturn, DC, and PC...

Uhh yeah, same as MS buying Rare :rolleyes:

Whatever floats yer MS boat load fellas

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« Reply #34 on: September 13, 2002, 07:28:20 AM »
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me/ sees Tomb Raider for Saturn, DC, and PC...


After Tomb Raider took off, did you see Tomb Raider 2 or 3 anywhere else but PSX and PC?

No, you didn\'t.  That\'s because Sony inked an exclusive deal that didn\'t end until 2000 if I\'m correct.

Then Psygnosis and Naughty Dog were bought up too.

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Uhh yeah, same as MS buying Rare  

Whatever floats yer MS boat load fellas


MS is just being more aggressive, can you blame them?  They entered a market where Sony is at their prime and Nintendo is throwing in all the cards to make a comeback.

It\'s all business.

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« Reply #35 on: September 13, 2002, 09:13:21 AM »
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After Tomb Raider took off, did you see Tomb Raider 2 or 3 anywhere else but PSX and PC?

No, you didn\'t.  That\'s because Sony inked an exclusive deal that didn\'t end until 2000 if I\'m correct.


The Saturn went belly up in the US shortly after TR2 was released. TRLR was released for DC. Inky deals I\'ve never read aside, TR being released on PC as well falls short of exclusive. If you want to talk about inked exclusive deals try HALO

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Then Psygnosis and Naughty Dog were bought up too.


Psygnosis, that was which- a Sega or Nintendo first/second party? Don\'t even mention ND, they had a long standing close relationship with Sony before recently hitching up.

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MS is just being more aggressive, can you blame them?  


Being so much more aggressive is a stark difference. And no, I can\'t blame MS for trying to buy their way into a market instead of earning it. After all, having the more powerful console doesn\'t seem to have gotten them squat so far.

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They entered a market where Sony is at their prime and Nintendo is throwing in all the cards to make a comeback.

It\'s all business.  


Sony entered the console market and filled a huge void. MS is attempting to force it\'s way in.

There are such things as good business and bad business.

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« Reply #36 on: September 13, 2002, 11:10:39 AM »
I couldn\'t agree more with you Heretic. If I may add, Psygnosis was aquired by Sony quite some time after the PSX\'s launch - besides, I don\'t remember Psygnosis developing for any other consoles other than PSX at the time. Wipeout, Wipeout 2097 and the F1 series was only out for PSX and therefore only made sense for them to become SCE-Liverpool. Naughty Dog also approached Sony, which, if you look at their history, isn\'t very hard to believe. It\'s something I would have expected from Rare (going to Nintendo).

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« Reply #37 on: September 13, 2002, 12:21:39 PM »
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Psygnosis, that was which- a Sega or Nintendo first/second party? - Heretic


???? :eek: Dude.. they were a PC developer and I think they dabbled in consoles jus a hair before the 32bit generation. Nothing more than a small handful of ports of their PC titles IF that. Didn\'t you ever play Shadow of the Beast?? That game kicked some ass for it\'s day.

Psygnosis was always a decent/good developer in my book. Naughty Dog were nobodys pretty much until they struck gold with the Crash Bandicoot series. I agree with most of the people here.. MS is jus doing what everyone else does. They have more money, so they\'re able to buy more respected and visable game developers. *Shrugs*

MS is jus playing catch-up. Sega has like 12 different development houses working for them.. Sony has like 10 or more. Nintnedo seems to be the only one really missing out on the plethora of first party developers... and yet even there they have some serious talent backing them up such as Factor 5.

As long as MS buying up 3rd parties doesn\'t become a weekly occurance.. I could care less really.
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« Reply #38 on: September 13, 2002, 01:02:56 PM »
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???? :eek: Dude.. they were a PC developer and I think they dabbled in consoles


Dood, that was my point. Psygnosis had few prior ties to consoles, Nintendo owns 49% of Rare. See the difference?  The :rolleyes: to my question was implied. My mistake for not using enough smilies. I guess :rolleyes:

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I agree with most of the people here.. MS is jus doing what everyone else does.  


Have you taken a poll? I\'d be curious to see how many here believe Sony, Sega, or Nintendo would try to crush their competitors, large and small, by any means available given enough cash.

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As long as MS buying up 3rd parties doesn\'t become a weekly occurance.. I could care less really.
 

Oh, so you\'ll complain when it does become a weekly occurance? Me thinks by then it\'ll be too late.

Not that complaining about it now will do much good :crap:

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« Reply #39 on: September 13, 2002, 01:44:48 PM »
Sony didn\'t directly buy up other developers in this exact same way, but they did use their money to make a large impact in the market.  Microsoft is doing that as well, just with a more well know developer (probably because they have more money to do this same thing with).  I just think of it as the same type of thing on a slightly larger scale.

But hey, I don\'t blame em at all.  It\'s not like Nintendo had to sell, and Nintendo had a chance to buy Rare in the past.  I just hope this doesn\'t hurt them too badly.
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« Reply #40 on: September 13, 2002, 01:49:03 PM »
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Have you taken a poll? I\'d be curious to see how many here believe Sony, Sega, or Nintendo would try to crush their competitors, large and small, by any means available given enough cash. - Heretic


Post a poll, and I\'ll bet that not too many people are concerned about it. Of course, it\'ll be fairly one sided since this forum attracts (or tries to attract) more open-minded and understanding gamers rather than people who are afraid of the MS boogey-man.

Nintnedo - Contracted 3rd parties into only producing games for the NES in the 8 bit days. That\'s not a dirty trick intended to crush the opposition at any cost?

Sega - Are known as being viciously and openly critical of their competition.. never stoping to publicly ridicule or tear down on their competition while pumping up their own product. Granted, while this isn\'t necessarily a "Dirty" tactic.. Sega has always taken it way past the mark of good natured buisness tactics.. usually for humorous effect. Remember all those ads in the early 90\'s basically stating that anyone owning a GB had an IQ about that of their dog and probly drank from the toilet? Remember those Ads they placed thumbing their nose at Sony about their shortages while blowing the situation clear out of proportion? Remember the guy in the big Sonic costume going out to the putting greens and harassing the SCEE execs?

Sony has been known to not only buy up 3rd parties in massive quantities (like MS is doing), but have pulled tactics like blackmailing retailers into not stocking Sega and MS ads or products or else they would halt shipments of PS2s to those stores?

This is buisness man.. get over it. You act as if MS is on the verge of taking over.. but look around.. they\'re jus barely hanging on here. Sales in Europe and Japan are beyond pathetic.. hell the PSX outsells them 9/10ths of the time. Sales in America are ok, but still not near enough to support them. Not to mention they\'re in increadibly hot water with Nvidia over their GPU which could potentially put a halt to Xbox production unless it\'s resolved. Is Microsoft even making a profit are they still hemmoraging cash from their latest pricecuts, which they had to impliment because Xboxs jus weren\'t selling.

Christ dude, I don\'t wanna see MS dominate the console market either.. but I don\'t wanna see Sony dominate it any more. MS CANNOT Monopolize the gaming market like they did the PC market. New systems come out at a rate of every 5 years, and since there isn\'t a single OS out there which all game software must be compatable with.. MS\'s maybe future stranglehold will only last as long as developers are willing to let it. No different than how Nintnedo\'s stranglehold was broken.. and how Sony\'s is starting to slip.

Gimmie a break man.. ugh..
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« Reply #41 on: September 13, 2002, 02:28:44 PM »
If it weren\'t for that whole competitions driving down prices while driving up quality thing, I\'d love to see someone monopolize the industry.  Just one console to buy, then you could play all the games.  That would be great.
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« Reply #42 on: September 13, 2002, 02:58:53 PM »
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This is buisness man.. get over it


Get over what? Xbox isn\'t going to do much more this gen other than f with developers? Consider it done.

Or do you mean get over the choke hold MS has and uses freely with its OS monopoly? No, I don\'t believe I will get over that completely until the iron grip no longer exists. So sue me :clown:
 
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Gimmie a break man..
 

After your last post, that should be my line  :sleepy:

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« Reply #43 on: September 13, 2002, 03:10:24 PM »
You don\'t see even a slight distinction between the PC market and the Console market? You can\'t differenciate between OS and Bios? The two are compeltely different, aside from both using computing devices to play software. That\'s pretty much the only similarity. Their buisness models are much much different.

I mean, wtf dude.. the only monopoly there is in the videogame market is Nintnedo\'s GBA. Yet, point me to any post of yours where you\'ve denounced Nintnedo and shown strong bias against them BECAUSE of their handheld monopoly. Is that any less a raping of the consumer? Why is MS\'s OS monopoly a reason to hate the Xbox, yet the GB/GBA isn\'t a reason to lothe Nintnedo?

And please.. point me to ONE other industry that MS has bought it\'s way into where they\'ve monopolized the market. UltimateTV? Nope. Computer hardware? Nope. Consoles? (MSX) Nope. Online Services? Nope. Television? Nope.

Dude, I ain\'t a MS hugger or nothing.. and I\'m quickly getting fed up with all of Window\'s BS... but that\'s no reason to hate the Xbox which is a completely different platform, in a compeltely different buisness market, with a compeltely different purpose, and a completely different set of circumstances.

:rolleyes:
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« Reply #44 on: September 13, 2002, 03:45:10 PM »
Video consoles and PCs are directly related. No way around it. Want some schooling on how closely they are tied? Look for an xbox thread I started around Nov. if you are really intersted.

Big ass wolf at the door and you think I should care just as much about a little weasel like Nintendo? Whatever :rolleyes:

 

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