~Official NFL 2002-2003 Thread~ (2)

Any QB could have done what Warner was doing.  And someone like Bret Farve could have done it better with talent like that surrounding him.

Originally posted by shockwaves
The only time I\'ve seen Warner play live was in the Arena League.  There\'s a difference though.  Phil Jackson is a great coach.  You can see that, because before he took over the Lakers, they had no direction, and weren\'t getting anywhere.  Since he took them over, they\'ve done nothing but win titles.  

I\'m guessing you missed the \'99 NFL season?  The Rams were going nowhere with Trent Green.  But soon as Warner took over the Rams started winning games and went to the superbowl.  Warner also led what some consider the best offense in the history of the NFL.

And you honestly think he was what made it the best?  No.  It was Faulk, Holt, Bruce, and the O Line.  He was in the right place at the right time, nothing more.  And by your logic, Bulger is better than Warner.  After all, the team was going no where at the start of the year with Warner, and are a high powered offense again with Bulger.

Who do you guys think is the biggest surprise QB so far?

I\'m definately eyeing Pennington, this guy has an arm.

MIKE MCMAHON!

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also, Warner is a GOOD pocket passer, not a GREAT one.

Originally posted by shockwaves
And you honestly think he was what made it the best?  No.  It was Faulk, Holt, Bruce, and the O Line.  He was in the right place at the right time, nothing more.  And by your logic, Bulger is better than Warner.  After all, the team was going no where at the start of the year with Warner, and are a high powered offense again with Bulger.

Defending Clowd - fun.

He\'s exactly right, Trent Green wasn\'t going to take them to the Super Bowl. The Right place at the right time? Somebody has to throw that football, and as of right now, Kurt Warner is officially the highest QB Rated QB of all time.

Trent Green wasn\'t going to throw that football, that\'s for damn sure. Warner had the weapons, sure, but so have other teams. Hell, look at the Vikings from the year before. Great offensive weapons, yet still lost in the NFC Title game at home to the Falcons.

Warner wasn\'t the reason that the Rams weren\'t going anywhere, Martz was. Ignorance and thickheadedness did Warner in at the begining of the year, and finally Martz is listening to his critics, and playing Faulk a lot more. Lo and behold, 3 straight wins, and they look like the Rams again.

Warner IS a great pocket passer, his accracy is uncanny in the National Football League. Uncanny.

See Yuz.

Pfft, like you know anything about football

Warner was in the right place at that right time, and until he proves that he can play the same way with fewer weapons, I will continue to believe that.  The Vikings team you referred to had a good offense, but even they were nothing compared to what the Rams have had.  The Rams have the best RB in the game, one of the best (if not the best) WR duos in the league, and quite a nice offensive line to go along with that.  

And what does Martz have to do with Warner playing bad?  The reason Martz was an idiot was because he went to Warner too often, and Warner couldn\'t handle it.  The year started with the Rams once again throwing as much as they could, and despite great WRs, and a great pass catching RB, that did not work.  Why?  Because Warner can\'t carry a team that way as a QB.  You think they would have still lost those games, throwing that much, if they had Favre in there?  Not a chance.

When you make yourself one-dementional, you\'re not going to win 90% of the time. Favre didn\'t start winning divisions and his title until he got Dorsey Levens up to full speed. Not to toot my own horn, but without Ahman Green, the packers would be nothing, and without Faulk, the Rams would be nothing.

See Yuz.

A good quarterback can take his team on his shoulders when they\'re struggling and carry them to victory.  Warner hasn\'t been able to.  One dimensional or not, they looked pretty damn bad with him.

Alright, then please, list the Quarterbacks who can actually do this, or have done this. Every one of them probably had a decent supporting cast. Heck, the only one that I can really think of right now doing a lot of the load is a Rookie, so who knows.

See Yuz.

Yes, you don\'t have QBs carrying the whole load because any coach with half a brain knows that you need a running game to win games.  I think that it can be even more important than a passing game.  However, during the time when Warner was carrying the load, he never seemed to have a stretch of time this year when he was able to put his team on his back and carry them, even for part of a game.  There are other QBs who can do that.

Oh, and you want a QB that has pulled a load for his team, and done so effectively?  Look at McNabb when Staley was hurt.

Bah, I wouldn\'t say that. Correll Buckhalter was pretty damn good last year in Staley\'s absense, and Buckhalter also scored 2 TD\'s on the Bucs in the 1st round of the playoffs last year.

Oh, and that Philly defense was also pretty damn good last year

See Yuz.

Last I checked, McNabb doesn\'t play at the same time as the defense.  Last I checked, the Rams defense wasn\'t that bad either.

Last I checked, the Philly D is also on the same team as McNabb.

Not sure if that changed or not.

See Yuz.

But how exactly is the Philly D going to have much of an effect on how well McNabb plays?