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[Titan]

The A10 took off and The pilot then targeted and destroyed Painted BRIGHT RED British APC despite getting a clear ID on BOTH

THATS BECAUSE IT WAS BRIGHT RED! Thats like hitting the broad side of a barn two feet away! In ACUTAL combat conditions, they are CAMOFLAGED! You don\'t know what happened in the cockpit of the bombers either. They could have dropped the bombs too early, too late or had a malfuntion or something. Geez. Your posts are so ignorant. You weren\'t in the cockpit so don\'t make assumtion that they did it on purpose.

Originally posted by mjps21983
War is exactly that war, like they\'ve said earlier oo7 civilians will get caught up, you act like we f*cking hit these targets on purpose, how ignorant is that??? Makes me wonder what they teach in your Universities, or what ever the hell ya call them over there for History, you easily listen to too much propaganda, and bullshit your media seems to like to feed you!!! Why don\'t you read both sides of the story before you come to a conclusion, you will learn so much more by doing this. Don\'t be blind to one side and not the other!!!

you do realise that the

USAF bombing raid on the wedding in Afghanistan  


With over 100 dead

happend Months afterthe fall of the last Taliban stronghold

and not only that was in a Area that was heavily dominated & controlled  by the  northern allience

the Press debriefing  said that the pilot attacked because he though he was under fire from small arms being shot of to celebrate the wedding.

Despite the fact that his F16 (I think it was) was flying well above 15,000 feet on a recon mission .

And how on Earth you can mistake small group of people celebrating wedding with handguns and light arms as a AAA instillation is Way beyond me

again no apology or compensation were payed to the families of the dead.

I don’t know but to me (being someone who lives outside the US), this and other incidents like this STICK and I’ll think you will find that most non-US national would agree that the Almighty US armed forces are losing a PR and Propaganda war Big time.

Remember it only take on mistake (weather if it is Friendly fire or the Death of innocents and it stick like mud)

[Titan]

An F-16 is a fighter craft, not fitted with bombs. Its fitted with missles. And if he\'s on a recon mission, I doubt they\'d give him missles.

happend Months afterthe fall of the last Taliban stronghold[/quote[

We were fighting with Al Quada. We are STILL fighting with Al Quada.

Originally posted by Coredweller
You might want to drop this bizarre distinction between the different types of weapons.  They are all fission devices, and they can all be classified as "nuclear," whatever the technology behind them.  The fact is that the Uranium-based atomic bomb was the best thing we had in 1945, and if we\'d had something worse, we would have used that instead.

Targeting Hiroshima and Nagasaki was done for several reasons, but not to end the war quicker or to ensure it\'s outcome.  We were seeking to test the weapons on human beings, and to demonstrate to the Russians our capability, and our willingness to use them.  The weapons could have been used in a much less densely populated area of Japan, or on an island.  The effect of giving Japan an honorable way of surrendering would have been achieved either way.

Core who taught you this???  Truman was very distressed about making the decision, but when he was told what the projected allied casualities would be he went ahead and authorized their use.

Originally posted by Titan


THATS BECAUSE IT WAS BRIGHT RED! Thats like hitting the broad side of a barn two feet away! In ACUTAL combat conditions, they are CAMOFLAGED! You don\'t know what happened in the cockpit of the bombers either. They could have dropped the bombs too early, too late or had a malfuntion or something. Geez. Your posts are so ignorant. You weren\'t in the cockpit so don\'t make assumtion that they did it on purpose.

What despite the fact that the silhouettes ,size and shape profiles are nothing like each other   ?

and despite that fact that the British APC has a fully funtional Friend or Foe Broadcasting device ?


and despite that fact the A10 pilot was not in a combat situation?

oh and despite the fact that the British APC during the test DID have Massive sings saying this is not a target that were clearly visible *

*yes it did..it the pilot even commented on how strange it was at the time.

Europeans and their clean wars... :rolleyes: Ok I can understand Europeans apathy towards war, after all 2 in the last 100 years is enough, but lets be honest here.  There is no such thing as a war without civilian loss of life.  We don\'t line up 20 yards from each other in an open field and shoot till the other side runs away or is killed anymore.  

Friendly fire is a reality that has to be looked up as a mistake.  ooseven don\'t whine about 2 guys in an APC getting killed my accident... they were soldiers and no compensation is going to be paid - whats next compensate everyone who thinks they were hit mistakenly?

Originally posted by GigaShadow


Core who taught you this???  Truman was very distressed about making the decision, but when he was told what the projected allied casualities would be he went ahead and authorized their use.

Giga is right
Truman was briefed that if a land invasion of Japan was attempted the losses would be incredible (basically the Japanese army wouldn’t hold anything back if they did*)


The old back your enemy in a corner and he will do just about anything to take you with him.

But in saying that a Blockade wouldn’t off been out of the question

Even the pride of the Japanese fleet the Yamato meet it end due to the fact that supplyes were running out EPS FUEL

Six months after MUSASHI was sunk, her identical twin, the battleship YAMATO, was sent to attack the U.S. Fleet with only enough fuel for a one-way trip.

The largest ship in the world, sent on a desperate suicide mission, was caught and destroyed by Navy fliers before she ever reached the U.S. Fleet.

CHRIST

i have just been reading more about the Yamato  


64,000 and Suicide mission to Okinawi  

could this be the largest number on a Suicide mission :eek:

i\'ll try and find the total of the amound of Torpedoes and bombs that were used to finally sink it :eek:

from whay i remember it was a LOT

*pisses on the rest of the world*

Originally posted by GigaShadow
Core who taught you this???  Truman was very distressed about making the decision, but when he was told what the projected allied casualities would be he went ahead and authorized their use.

That is the "official" version of what happened, as repeated over and over to make ourselves feel ok about it.  Just like so much of our clean and tidy grade school history, it makes no sense.  The Japanese AND US governments both knew that the end of the war was inevitable.  We just needed a face-saving method of allowing the Japanese to surrender.  Any demonstration of the atomic bomb on Japanese territory would have been sufficient; it didn\'t need to be done to two heavily populated civilian targets.

Please post a source Core - not your opinion.  The fact is Japan was ready to sacrifice everyone to prevent the Allies from landing.

Originally posted by Coredweller
That is the "official" version of what happened, as repeated over and over to make ourselves feel ok about it.  Just like so much of our clean and tidy grade school history, it makes no sense.  The Japanese AND US governments both knew that the end of the war was inevitable.  We just needed a face-saving method of allowing the Japanese to surrender.  Any demonstration of the atomic bomb on Japanese territory would have been sufficient; it didn\'t need to be done to two heavily populated civilian targets.

there could of been many different why those 2 targets were chosen, perhaps the though of a long and EXTREMLY bloody land war on main land Japan prompted  the Action.

Also reports from Escapees from Japanese POW camps + Kamikazi pilots and torpedo riders along with the Atrocities committed by the Japanese armed forces would of made the option of a land war less palatable

you know whats funny japan is the only contry we\'ve ever dropped a nuke on and they love us to death they cant get enough of american culture maybe theyre still worried we\'ll drop another one if they get out of line
maybe we should have dropped more nukes then everyone would love us

Originally posted by GigaShadow
Please post a source Core - not your opinion.  The fact is Japan was ready to sacrifice everyone to prevent the Allies from landing.

from what the 3 of us have been saying its clear to see why the Decision reached its ultimate conclusion

• It was known that Japan was “with its back to the wall” the war with them could be over (Support to both land landings and the Atomic boom)
  
• It is also known about the mentality of the way for fighting (kamikaze pilots and lack of human compassion to POW’s) (opinion shifting to the Atomic boom)
  
• It is also know with the ideologies of the Japanese Empire (the Emperor = God in the eyes of the japans at the time) it is realised that any action would have to be decisive and a show of technological superiority  in other words TO strike the Fear of GOD into them.

Hence the possible selection of 2 heavily populated Cities

Originally posted by Jar O Pickles
you know whats funny japan is the only contry we\'ve ever dropped a nuke on and they love us to death they cant get enough of american culture maybe theyre still worried we\'ll drop another one if they get out of line
maybe we should have dropped more nukes then everyone would love us

It wasn\'t always like that... it took years for the rift to heal (publicly and privately)

note on a side :In fact most Allied Veterans that were Entered in Japanese POW camps still find it hard to this day to "trust or even forgive Japan for what they done)

mid you if you lived through that hell would you "forgive and forget ? "