The gay factor

no, there\'s a load of people in my neck of the woods who share clowds views.  Which means I usually have at least on ass kicking a year to deal out in defense for my friends/family.  But the difference between people here, is that instead of vocalizing their views, they do hate crime type of things.

Well, I am generally in a community of progressive people in a generally progressive area.  However, I bet it also has something to do with our age difference.  I\'m younger, and the view I get is more of the younger people.  They are a lot more accepting, because they\'ve grown up being taught to accept gay people more so than people of previous generations.  That probably has something to do with it.

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homosexuality is not a race, its a decision

and if a friend told me he was gay

then I wouldnt associate with him. People who commit gross sins like this are no friends of mine, and if I let them be my friend they would probably rub off on me. i wouldnt hate him.

This is the most IGNORANT thing I have heard in along time, espically the "rub off on me". Look, homosexuality does not "rub off" on someone and if you think it does, you are either stupid (which we already know you are ) or (2) weak minded. If you "become" gay, because someone you know is gay, than chances are, you was just looking for a reason to come out of the closet.

What goes on in the bedroom is everyone\'s personal choice. I don\'t care if some old book says its bad or what not. People have one life, live it however you see fit. The only problem is, we get bible thumpers who think they have a clue about the actual world -  when in reality they live in their own little space.

With that said - I hope, that with homosexuality becoming more accepted, espically among the younger generations, see\'ing as people like Racer are finding they have friends that are gay, that in maybe 25-30 years, gay bashing will almost be gone. It\'s doubtful, but I\'m hopeful.


With that said, did I mention you are just an idiot if you think it can "rub off" on you?

JUst making sure I mentioned that.

What do you call 400 gays at the bottom of the ocean?



A good start.

Are you a Mormon Clowd?

M4, not funny.

If someone is not comfortable with someones sexuality then don\'t be friends. To pretend to be someones friend or ignore the fact that someone is gay, and it bothers you does a disservice to them and yourself.

I personally  have no problem with it so long as we can get along. If we can\'t I am not going to go to the other extreme, and go out of my way to be their friends or even be nice.

I am also not one for long drawn out talks about someones sexual preference. If a person wants to do that then take it to Oprah or Jerry Springer.

So far as Clowd goes. he is probably a kid still brainwashed by religion. No amount of talking will convince him otherwise. He will either have to go out into an enviroment (a.k.a. college) or stay in his own little world, and hate everything that the bible says is bad.

Rya I briefly glimpsed over your post about lesbians, and I can probably speak for most guys on this. It is not the thought of two women being together, as it is two women being together with one man.

theomen this is one of the few times I disagree with you in your post. Everytime people start talking about things of this nature it tends to make sides. Then when this happens alot of times it spreads into the home, and then the alphamale or alpha-female make these thoughts known and they tend to propogate throughout the family. If everyone left other people alone it would be a great place to live.

Jesus why can\'t everyone just ignore everyone else??????????
Ignorance is bliss!

Once again, I will say it again, I am a Christian, and do believe in everything that the Bible teaches. But why would someone \'want\' to be gay? Its not as though they wake up one morning and decide \'I think I am going to be gay today and **** men\'. Would you really choose to go through all the persecution and such that comes with it? And how could you simply \'turn off\' your desires for women if you really weren\'t gay?

Its a really difficult subject.

Now, this is a theory I have been coming up with the past day, its probably completely wrong, and is certainly NOT politically correct, so please, don\'t complain and lock the thread because I don\'t necessarily have this opinion, its just something I thought of.

What if it is a birth \'defect\'? Like people are born with deformations, deseases etc such as Downes Syndrome etc. Now, I don\'t mean that your just born that way, like, you are intended to be gay and you are intended to be straight, but what if everyone is intended to be straight when something happens that causes something to go wrong in the process, creating a defect, desease or sickness that isn\'t contagious (do not get angry at me for called homosexuality a desease).

^^ Since nobody can really explain it, I think your theory could be about right. Since we all know that male and females are meant to have offspring, someone wanting to do it with the same sex is, uh, off track. Not saying that I condemn it - I don\'t care what people do - but one could say that it\'s technically a "fault". And one that you\'re obviously born with... IMO.

Do you think the Bible could be refering to the act of sodomy as apposed to homosexuality (I suppose sodomy doesn\'t necessarily have to be apart of the lifestyle, or does it)???

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The problem with your theory, Racer, is that it only factors in one reason as to why humans can be gay.

It is commonly known that the biggest factor in each of our personality and behvaiours is the environment in which we grew up/live in.  Sure some people might be gay from birth, due to a chemical imbalance (although I don\'t believe this has ever been proven?), but most people are effected during the learning stages of their lives.  During puberty, and even onwards.

You want a fact?  Most men don\'t realize they are gay until they are married and have children.  Why is that?  Why do they have perfectly good sex and never even realize that it\'s men that mostly interest them?

Why are prisons commonly known to \'turn\' people gay? (although that could be widespread falsities, and/or exageration of the whole sodomy issue).

How do you account for bisexuality?

What if it\'s a problem psychologically, i.e. the person is raped repeatedly, then the only thing he knows or expects is sodomy/sex with men.

Experimentation?

etc, etc.

The biggest factor for every personal trait is your environment.  What in the environment?  No one knows, and it\'s most likely different for every person.

Originally posted by ##RaCeR##
Do you think the Bible could be refering to the act of sodomy as apposed to homosexuality (I suppose sodomy doesn\'t necessarily have to be apart of the lifestyle, or does it)???

Yeah racer if we still followed everything in the bible then we would have to Stone adulterers to death…. Thank God for progress

God racer you almost make me embarest about being a Lapsed Roman Catholic.

this is yet another rason why Religion is a bad thing

Look racer it doesn’t matter what it says … just as long as two people love each other.


the REAL question is what’s your problem with gay relationships ?

The day the Catholic church accepts other religions, scientific progress and gays is the day we become one step closer to world peace.

^^

How can you say that when the Catholic chuch\'s main foundation is the Word Of God?

oh who about the fact that they wanted to kill a Human for him saying that ,the earth is not the centre of the universe and the fact that the earth revolves around the sun.

Also the Catholic church still has to drop its ban on Contraception despite the world AIDS Pandemic.

Alos the fact that Vatican City\'s banks are used by thy world terrorism  and criminals due to the factthat all data on bank accounts are retained. FFS if you want to hide money there is no greater place to put it than the VC banks.

Originally posted by ##RaCeR##
^^

How can you say that when the Catholic chuch\'s main foundation is the Word Of God?

The Bible is writen By HUMANS and as a result Susceptible to human interpretation and bias(hence the writen in gay bashing)

There is more Spin in a Stain Glass window than a PR statement by M$, GWB or Tony Blair