No, do more than remember. Never forget.

Originally posted by CHIZZY


heh, typical reaction...

oh yeah, F*CK FRANCE, F*CK GERMANY, AND F*CK RUUSIA AND CHINA TOO!

And f*ck you brits who forget who pulled your asses out of WWII. And F*CK you "neutral" countries who made money from the NAZIS during WWII, and now call us warmongerers.


Europe= parking lot

middle east= parking lot

russia= cold parking lot

I\'m sick to death of being afraid of a smallpox bomb, or a dirty bomb. When they find a sleeper cell in your town, will you say, "you\'re just persecuting them \'cos they\'re middle-eastern... stop the hate..."?

No you kitty killer, I\'m saying what I\'m saying so I won\'t have to be scared of the same shit you\'re talking about - only the threat is coming from the US. That\'s why this action against Iraq needs to be supported by the international community. It means the US is acting by the dictates of the international community rather than its own. If the US isn\'t confined to the will of the international community, we\'d have a monster in our hands.

Originally posted by Avatarr


No you kitty killer, I\'m saying what I\'m saying so I won\'t have to be scared of the same shit you\'re talking about - only the threat is coming from the US. That\'s why this action against Iraq needs to be supported by the international community. It means the US is acting by the dictates of the international community rather than its own. If the US isn\'t confined to the will of the international community, we\'d have a monster in our hands.

Uh confined to the will of the international community??  What gives them the right to dictate what we do?

I\'m not trying to say that domestic stuff should be dictated by other countries. That just isn\'t right. But when it comes to stuff that will direclty affect other countries, you\'d think that a nation that is supposedly built on democracy, would give these other countries a fair hearing. Nevermind respect the authority of the international community.

A fair hearing?????

How many resolutions will it take to prove that the UN is a joke?

Ace

[Kurt Angle]

Originally posted by videoholic
http://www.apfsds-solo.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/time_to_bomb.swf

That is superb!:D

Originally posted by Ace
A fair hearing?????

How many resolutions will it take to prove that the UN is a joke?

Ace

another 2 duds should just about do it.

[SirMystiq]

Originally posted by Avatarr


For the record, I don\'t like Saddam Hussein as much as the next person. I support action that would depose him and restore  true demoracy in Iraq. My tiff is with the arrogant attitude that you so blatantly display. It doesn\'t matter how strong one country can be. In a democratic system, all the parties involved should be heard. I see the UN as the "senate of Earth" (to put it in the context of StarWars). Unilateral action on the part of the US is a step back in building a more democratic Earth.

I agree with the article on some parts. Yes other countries are jealous.
Jealousy will turn to hate. That\'s it. Yeah other coutries hate the US because it\'s rich, powerful, controls the UN. What you gonna do? It\'s not like the US is going to give up all the power and share it with other countries. Unless that happens, Anti-Americanism will live on. The UN isn\'t a joke, they make it a joke. I just read an article that Blix said there are no signs of weapons. The UN knows, yet US will do anything in its power to prove it wrong, the UN will get together and build some new resolution and start over. It\'s only a joke to the people that want a war. If there wasn\'t a UN, there would be a bunch of wars every year, countries attacking others for no reason. The UN works, but it\'s some of the governments within the UN that make it seem like a joke.

As for France, Germany, and Belgium stand on this. I hope they continue with it. The US joined the UN b/c it agreed with all the regulations and agreed that whatever decision that could affect the world, was going to be agreed upon by everyone.

Every country is working for themselves. If France is holding up the war b/c of its own interest, then fine, let it, who doesnt? The US is, they\'re not fighting a war to rid the world of terrorism, they\'re fighting the war to rid the US of terrorism.

Good God whoever wrote that is a total jackass.  You know what sickens me?  When someone questions my morals, what I felt about those attacks, and everything else around that entire situation, it pisses me off like nothing else.  If I came face to face with this person right now, he had better hope I\'m the one who is able to show restraint, because I likely would not hesitate to smack him right up side that fat head of his.

Tell me Ace, how many people did you know, personally, that died in the attacks on 9/11?  I knew 2.  In addition, I knew many many more that were working within blocks of the World Trade Center on that day.  My entire family lives in New York City, and I am down there all the time.

On September 11th, I was crushed, scarred, and quite frankly, I didn\'t know what to do.  I would be surprised if any of you felt that moment in the way I did.  I was fearing for the lives of many people I know personally, including three who happened to work in the towers.  Two of them died.  To even suggest that because of my politics I am disrespecting them is an insult to them, an insult to me, an insult to everyone who died that day, and a statement of your own ignorance of the situation.

Could we have retaliated more strongly?  Yes.  But how is it in the spirit of those who died to go across the world and kill more innocent people?  The people I knew who died wouldn\'t have wanted that, and I wouldn\'t either.  The message we get from this should be one of the importance of peace, not the necessity of war.  

As much as you conservatives insist on turning this horrible event into some nationalistic crusade, I refuse to take it that way.  This was not a crime against the United States in particular.  This was a crime against humanity.  Why commit another one to even it out?  It makes no sense, and it is not what those who died on September 11th would want from us.  At least it\'s not what the ones I knew would have wanted.  

And you want to make this into some giant patriotic symbol?  Fine, go ahead.  I think it is blatantly unamerican to expect someone to change their beliefs and views based on an event like this.  I am not going to let something like this change the way I look at this country, this world, or the way it should ideally be.  I\'m not going to drop my morals and goals for reasons of pety revenge.  America is stronger and more sensible than that.

The way to honor those who died is not to kill more people.  It is to move as far as we can towards world peace.  Right now, we are only moving away from it.

Whoever wrote this sickens me.  Whoever thinks like this sickens me.  And right now Ace, you too sicken me.

[SirMystiq]

You\'re are right. Im sorry about your loss. I hope I don\'t sicken you. I agree with everything you said. You\'re right, innocent americans died, but that doesn\'t mean that we should go and add more innocent deaths to an already high number.

shockwaves,

While I am sorry for your losses, I do not understand why you want to attack me.

I think the article makes some good points. Sometime you need war to have peace. I for one do not want to become one of the fallen because my country did not have the backbone to stand up and protect it\'s citizens.

I am tired, sick and tired of all the America bashing. I\'m tired of it from abroad and I am tired of it from right here in my own country. If I make you sick because I am a proud American, then so be it.

Ace

Originally posted by Ace
shockwaves,

While I am sorry for your losses, I do not understand why you want to attack me.

I think the article makes some good points. Sometime you need war to have peace. I for one do not want to become one of the fallen because my country did not have the backbone to stand up and protect it\'s citizens.

I am tired, sick and tired of all the America bashing. I\'m tired of it from abroad and I am tired of it from right here in my own country. If I make you sick because I am a proud American, then so be it.

Ace

It\'s nothing personal Ace.  Although we seem to never see eye to eye, I do respect you as a poster here.  It\'s just a sensative subject for me, I guess, and I took it a little personally.  If it came out as an attack because of that, I\'m sorry.  I meant to attack the person who wrote the article, and not you.  Sorry.

And your views don\'t make me sick.  One of the great things about this country is that you are entitled to whatever views you want.  I won\'t look down on someone for views on war and peace, politics, or anything like that.  What makes me sick is someone else telling me that by holding onto my own beliefs, I am somehow betraying those lost on that day.

And a clarification: I do not hate this country.  I love this country.  I just happen to disagree with the government in power.  Part of why I am so pationate about politics at times is because of my love for this country, its people, and what it has to offer.  I am only working to make the country better, in the ways I think it needs to be improved.  I don\'t hate this country, I don\'t hate Americans.  I hate certain aspects of the government, yes, but I do not hate America.

Originally posted by Ace
losses, I do not understand why you want to attack me.

I think the article makes some good points. Sometime you need war to have peace. I for one do not want to become one of the fallen because my country did not have the backbone to stand up and protect it\'s citizens.

 

"our" citizens aren\'t in any danger except from radical groups that are hard to target. N.Korea is more of a threat with nukes to reach the west coast.

[CHIZZY]

we\'re the big kid on the block and we\'ew actin glike it, avatarr. If you don\'t like it, we\'ll kick your ass too.l


j/k

Originally posted by shockwaves


It\'s nothing personal Ace.  Although we seem to never see eye to eye, I do respect you as a poster here.  It\'s just a sensative subject for me, I guess, and I took it a little personally.  If it came out as an attack because of that, I\'m sorry.  I meant to attack the person who wrote the article, and not you.  Sorry.

And your views don\'t make me sick.  One of the great things about this country is that you are entitled to whatever views you want.  I won\'t look down on someone for views on war and peace, politics, or anything like that.  What makes me sick is someone else telling me that by holding onto my own beliefs, I am somehow betraying those lost on that day.

And a clarification: I do not hate this country.  I love this country.  I just happen to disagree with the government in power.  Part of why I am so pationate about politics at times is because of my love for this country, its people, and what it has to offer.  I am only working to make the country better, in the ways I think it needs to be improved.  I don\'t hate this country, I don\'t hate Americans.  I hate certain aspects of the government, yes, but I do not hate America.

shockwaves,

I never believed or thought you were someone who hated this country. We might disagree, but as you said, this is what makes our country great. I do believe, however, there is a certain element in this country that hates America. They only see the bad, and none of the great things we have accomplished.

Also know, that I would never make light of the tragedy of 9/11. Although I did not know anyone personally who died that day, I mourned with the rest of the country.

I have to hit the hay, I think I am in for one rotten hangover in the morning.

Ace

I don\'t understand why you keep posting stuff like this, Ace.  Do you actually think you\'re going to persuade the international members of this forum, or the substantial number of American members who disagree with the upcoming war?

You and your buddy Gov. Bush are going to get what you want.  I have no doubt that we are going to bomb the hell out of Iraq very soon.  Shouldn\'t you be happy?  Why continue posting propaganda and stirring up sh1t?  Just kick back and open a beer dude.  I\'ve determined that I\'m not going to change your mind, and you\'re not going to change mine.  

So just drop it already.