Anti-war or just plain spam?

[SirMystiq]

Originally posted by luckee
For those that say it isnt entirely or majorly about oil, then answer this logically. Why have we not taken a stronger stance against N.Korea then???

We KNOW they have the nukes, we also KNOW they can do some damage on the west coast, yet no talks of invading them.

Almost forgot, they are on that "axis of evil" list.

I KNOW THE ANSWER!! I KNOW THE ANSWER!!!

B/c North Korea has NO oil?

Am I right??
AM I!?!

True man, everything you said is true. So is everything the other "anti-americans" have said.

Out of topic:
Don\'t you guys have any balls!?
LOL
Im not trying to be mean, but I\'ve seen some of you, if not most of you put some kind of smiley or face after a statement that is clearly an insult. To me, it gives it a "I just dissed you, but this face will make it seem not so bad" kind of feel.

That way can just say they were playing around without getting banned or looking like the immature asshole.

[SirMystiq]

^^^
Yep. I\'ve noticed that all the people that call me"immature", "dumbass", blah blah blah. Always use those little faces when posting an insult sometimes.

The only difference between the "immature" ones and the "mature" ones is that the "immature" ones got the

"Balls to say it in front of yall and i dont gotta be false and sugar coating it all"
 

You just quoted Eminem. This thread shall now go to hell.

Originally posted by luckee
For those that say it isnt entirely or majorly about oil, then answer this logically. Why have we not taken a stronger stance against N.Korea then???

We KNOW they have the nukes, we also KNOW they can do some damage on the west coast, yet no talks of invading them.

Almost forgot, they are on that "axis of evil" list.

Think about it for a couple minutes. I know, it’s going to hurt but humor me for just a second here.

The reason for not having dealt with N. Korea is because they already have nuclear capabilities and are presently using that capability to power some of there cities and towns. The only threat arose when they fired up a nuke facility that was dormant for years. They have not given any logical reasons for doing so thus the US government is concerned. It is a tricky business dealing with a country that has nuclear capabilities versus a country that does not.

It is not about oil! Got it! GOOD!

[Bobs_Hardware]

Originally posted by Cyrus
WE DONT NEED IRAQS OIL....... please thats the point we are going to war because the country is run by a madman who has no quarry about killing his own people let alone dropping a nuke on israel just because he likes to see things go boom. You Europeans who are sooo against this war havent you people had way more terorismn in your country that we have had in our. Wouldnt it be nice to stop it?

This war is going to stop terrorism?

[Titan]

No, this war is to get Saddam and his men out of power. We still are tracking Bin Laden but right now I don\'t think we care too much about him. As the saying goes, "there\'s bigger fish to fry". I was reading the play Julius Ceaser in my school. It made me think about the world today. In the play, the conspirators kill Caesar to kill the serpent before it hatches. Basically the analogy is to kill the leader before he causes damage on the world. They killed Caesar before he became a tyrant. We are going to kill Hussein before he uses his weapons on the world.

I dont know how there is bigger fish to fry when saddam hasnt been responsible 3000+ deaths to the US.

They have not given any logical reasons for doing so thus the US government is concerned.

Uhm they arent the most stable, reasonable, or logical country when it comes to dealing with the US, so im not gonna buy what you said just yet. Why do you think bush and crew are trying to push this missle defense thing through so fast bypassing the legal testing first? They want to station one in alaska and one in california, exactly on the coast where NK is reportedly capable of reaching.

Originally posted by project86
I love my country and I will support it no matter what.

See, thats what I have a problem with.

Originally posted by project86
The reason for not having dealt with N. Korea is because they already have nuclear capabilities and are presently using that capability to power some of there cities and towns. The only threat arose when they fired up a nuke facility that was dormant for years. They have not given any logical reasons for doing so thus the US government is concerned. It is a tricky business dealing with a country that has nuclear capabilities versus a country that does not.

Let\'s just forget that whole thing about striking the US first if need be, that business with the Jets flown into S. Korea air space, and that little issue of a missle being fired into international waters between N. Korea and Japan.

The whole controversy is about North Korea\'s decision to fire up a dormant facility. :rolleyes:

IMO, North Korea is like that little kid who you know would get whupped in a fight with you; but you don\'t want to risk pissing off his cousins or risk him going home to get his uncle Stalin\'s old gun. The kid knows this so he always tries to get you to fight him.

Originally posted by Gohan
See, thats what I have a problem with.

If America ever falls to it\'s knees in defeat it won\'t be because of a greater world power but by the cancer that it has suffered so long now. That cancer is those in this country that do not support the country itself. We may not make all the right decisions but I am a free man to do as I please within the law. You my friend are a part of that cancer.

Is safe to say that if a war broke out here on American soil, you would be one to join the enemy? Or would you then see that a threat to your freedom would bring you to arms against the enemy?

I bet your one of those people that turns the other way when the national anthem is played as to ignor the US flag.

Originally posted by project86
If America ever falls to it\'s knees in defeat it won\'t be because of a greater world power but by the cancer that it has suffered so long now. That cancer is those in this country that do not support the country itself. We may not make all the right decisions but I am a free man to do as I please within the law. You my friend are a part of that cancer.

Is safe to say that if a war broke out here on American soil, you would be one to join the enemy? Or would you then see that a threat to your freedom would bring you to arms against the enemy?

I bet your one of those people that turns the other way when the national anthem is played as to ignor the US flag.

I\'m a cancer? Wow. Like I said. I support America; but I do not support them no matter what they do. Blind Patriotism is just as bad for the country as no Patriotism. Do you think we would be where we are today if no one ever spoke up and voiced their opinions or disagreements with American policy?

As for the last part of your post. I don\'t know what makes you say that. I said in a much older thread that I would probably be in Iraq now(or wherever US Navy/Marines are stationed) had it not been for politics in Boston. I was lined up to be a midshipman at the Naval Academy (recommendation from the alumni that I had to meet, excellent health, good gpa, high SATs, recommendation from the midshipman overseeing my squad during "pleb" interest week, a nice list of extra-curriculars) but I wasn\'t able to attend because my congressman refused to give me a recommendation(elected official recommendation was required) and in fact wouldn\'t even speak to me before/during/after the process. The only correspondance I ever recieved from Mr Joe Moakley(RIP?) was an invitation to a fundraising dinner to donate to his campaign. Funny huh.

I didn\'t want to enlist because I wanted to go to college and it was already to late for me to apply to be a cadet at West Point, not to mention that all of my time at Navy really got me disliking Army(Anyone ever had a "Go Navy"? Consider yourself lucky.)

[SirMystiq]

WHAT FREAKING FREEDOM HAVE WE LOST!?!?!?

OUR FREEDOM IS BEING TAKEN AWAY FROM OUR OWN COUNTRY EVERYDAY.

When we least expect it we are all going to live like in that movie Minority Report.

You keep talking about keeping our freedom, how was our freedom affected??

Some facts about oil seem to be needed here. Let\'s start with imports to the US  Ott - US oil imports top 10  & The Energy Information Administration . Largest imports of Oil come from Canada, Saudi Arabia, Mexico & Venezuela. But as can be seen on the EIA site the US has been become more dependant on imported oil, producing less oil itself and importing more each year. Which goes some way to explaining why Strikes in one country can send your Oil prices up .

 As for the oil from Russia, that\'s still sometime in the future. As can be seen from this news article Khilafah . Also look on the right-hand side of this site for some news stories which you might not normally see.

Now for the killer, oil reserves. Sure you can get your oil else where, but for how long? Here are the top ten oil reserves Ott - Top 10 . Notice the top 5 there. If you can\'t see what they have in common Look at this . As for the rest of the world it\'s back to The EIA . As you maybe able to tell the rest of the world would most likely use up their reserves before that of the countrys in the Middle East, with them having more than 50% of the oil reserves in the world.

So it wouldn\'t be beyond possibilities (that some here don\'t seem to see, or wish to admit to) that oil could be a major factor in all this. Especially seeing as the US is by far the largest consumer in the world. Also has to make you wonder when an Americian analyst says that the WORST thing Saddam could do is light the oil wells in Iraq.

[SirMystiq]

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