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« Reply #60 on: March 26, 2003, 02:37:51 PM »
unicron, repeat after me

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« Reply #61 on: March 26, 2003, 05:10:05 PM »
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Good grief?Do u know if u are indeed being told the truth about this war?

 


There are no truths or lies, only personal opinions and vendettas.

/me has seen Unicron spell "Iraqi" ten different ways.

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« Reply #62 on: March 26, 2003, 05:40:47 PM »
No Duh I didn\'t write that. But there are the reasons you asked for Vid. I didn\'t try to see you come up with anything saying why they are so stupid. But you didn\'t say they\'re stupid. You just didn\'t say anything about them. I read them all and theres more:

The example of North Korea reminds us that even when bad people acquire nuclear capability, we have response options other than war.

There is no identifiable connection between Al-Qaeda and Saddam Hussein. In fact, the Islamist fundamentalists are mortal enemies of the secular Iraqi Bathists.

Absent real evidence, the administration has shown its willingness to fudge facts: Rumsfeld\'s "bulletproof evidence" showing an Al Qaeda-Iraq link turned out to be riddled with holes.

Instead of accepting the burden of proof, U.S. policy has put Iraqi officials in the position of proving a negative. It has the same logic as that of an inquisitor who threatens to tighten the thumbscrews with every denial. "The inspections have yet to uncover compelling evidence of banned weapons programmes, but the United States has said they are designed as a test of cooperation with a U.N. disarmament resolution rather than an effort to find hidden arms."

War plans are based on a dishonest history of arms inspections. Scott Ritter, the former chief UN weapons inspector in Iraq says,  "The politics of fear have clouded the collective judgment of the people of the United States to the point where we, unfortunately, are willing to accept at face value almost any allegation of wrongdoing on the part of Iraq without first demanding to know the factual basis of such an allegation."

The 1990s arms inspections were "in the end corrupted by those who chose to use the unique access ? to deliberately provoke a crisis that, in turn, was used to justify the continuation of economic sanctions," Ritter says.

Ritter also charges that inspectors left in 1998, "not because the Iraqis kicked them out, but rather that they were ordered out by former executive chairman of the weapons inspection regime Richard Butler under pressure from the United States and without the permission of the Security Council, in order to clear the way for a military aggression in December 1998."

Desert Fox: Its mission was "To strike military and security targets in Iraq that contribute to Iraq\'s ability to produce, store, maintain and deliver weapons of mass destruction." But Ritter claims that "the vast majority of the more than 100 targets bombed by the United States and Great Britain during Desert Fox had nothing to do with weapons production capability, but rather the leadership and security establishments of the government of Iraq and that the precision in which these targets were bombed was due in a large part due to the information gathered by weapons inspectors."

Those "chemical warheads" that recent headlines are screaming about are bogus.

Purported weapons factories have turned out to be nonfunctional and often in ruins.

A nuclear weapons program is "very expensive and readily detectable." The gas centrifuge facilities "emit gamma radiation, as well as many other frequencies. It\'s detectable. Iraq could not get around this."

Two of the three types of "nerve agents" formerly made in Iraq ? Sarin and Tabus ? "have a shelf life of five years. Even if Iraq had somehow managed to hide this vast number of weapons from inspectors, what they\'re now storing is nothing more than useless, harmless goo."

Iraq\'s capability for developing the third type, VX (about which Iraqis lied to inspectors repeatedly) was destroyed by inspectors in 1996. The above three points are detailed in War on Iraq, by William Rivers Pitt with Scott Ritter, which explains that the weapons inspections during the 1990s were effective.

"Contrary to popular mythology, there\'s absolutely no evidence Iraq worked on smallpox, Ebola, or any other horrific nightmare weapons the media likes to talk about today," according to the same source.

Iraqis made anthrax, "weaponized" it, then "lied about this capability for some time?. Finally they admitted it, and we blew up the plant [in 1995]?. Liquid bulk anthrax, even under ideal storage conditions, germinates in three years, becoming useless? Iraq has no biological weapons today, because both the anthrax and the botulinum toxin are useless. For Iraq to have biological weapons today, they\'d have to reconstitute a biological manufacturing base." (same source.)

Saddam has not been able to replace what inspectors destroyed during the \'90s. "They\'d have to start from scratch, having been deprived of all equipment, facilities and research. They\'d have to procure the complicated tools and technology required through front companies. This would be detected. The manufacture of chemical weapons emits vented gases that would have been detected by now if they existed. We\'ve been watching, via satellite and other means, and have seen none of this. If Iraq was producing weapons today, we\'d have definitive proof, plain and simple." (same source.)

"The idea that Iraq can suddenly pop up with a long range missile is ludicrous? they can\'t conduct tests indoors. You have to bring rockets out, fire them on test stands. This is detectable. No one has detected any evidence of Iraq doing this." (same source.)

Under pressures of an actual shooting war, Gestapo-type spying would become even more customary and acceptable here in the "homeland." Already, our government is "chipping away at the wall that has existed for nearly three decades between domestic law enforcement and international intelligence gathering."

There is no clear and imminent danger, and so no compelling reason to move precipitously.

The Council of Religious Leaders of Metropolitan Chicago (among many other religious and faith-based coalitions) has petitioned Bush to avoid war on Iraq. Their letter, "an unprecedented, unanimous call," was signed by Chicago\'s Christian, Jewish and Muslim religious leaders, and reflects the "opinion across a broad spectrum of society, " according to the Council\'s executive director.

Pope John Paul II has added his plea for peace and the solidarity of all peoples within a framework of international law. The Vatican has repeatedly asserted its opposition to war in Iraq.

Chicago\'s City Council has passed a resolution against the war, joining almost 50 other cities, and making Chicago the largest U.S. municipality to do so.

Our plans for a war on Iraq are in conflict with the American values we teach our children. I will never forget how disillusioned I was as a kid when it was my beloved President Eisenhower, and not that nasty Premier Khruschev, who turned out to be the liar in the U2 incident. How are young Americans supposed to reconcile preemptive war with what they\'ve been taught about our country\'s values?

....I will give you the source where I got them from. The site is down for some strange reason.........hmm................
Don\'t try to confuse me with what you call  facts, my mind is already made up.

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« Reply #63 on: March 26, 2003, 06:18:47 PM »
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I AM NOT DEFENDING SADDAM!!I AM DEFENDING THE IRAQUI PEOPLE AND THE WHOLE WORLD!!I VE SEEN IRAQUIS PROTESTING AGAINST THEIR "LIBERATION"!!FOR THEM ITS NOT A LIBERATION FROM SADDAM!!ITS A THREAD TO THEIR COUNTRY!!EVEN THE SUNNIS ARE JOING FORCES WITH SADDAM(The greast Sunni religion leader who was fanatically against Saddam, now is joining forces with him for the protection of Iraq against the enemy.The soldiers sent by the US go to Iraq with the impression they are saving them.Actually they are a thread to the Iraquis and they dont even know it)!!

YOUR GOVERNMENT\'S TARGET IS NOT THE IRQUIS\' "LIBERATION"!


The Iraqis that are protesting probably aren\'t living in Iraq and if they are, they are forced to by Saddam.

Our whole war is on Iraqi liberation. When we kill saddam, Iraq is liberated. If we actually killed him the first night, the war would be over already and people would be happy. I have too much of a headache right now to make sense out of this right now.
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« Reply #64 on: March 26, 2003, 06:26:23 PM »
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Iraqis made anthrax, "weaponized" it, then "lied about this capability for some time?. Finally they admitted it, and we blew up the plant [in 1995]?. Liquid bulk anthrax, even under ideal storage conditions, germinates in three years, becoming useless? Iraq has no biological weapons today, because both the anthrax and the botulinum toxin are useless. For Iraq to have biological weapons today, they\'d have to reconstitute a biological manufacturing base."


UK dossier, 24 September 2002

p.19: "Iraq has admitted to UNSCOM to having the knowledge and capability to add stabiliser to nerve agent and other chemical warfare agents which would prevent such decomposition. In 1997 UNSCOM also examined some munitions which had been filled with mustard gas prior to 1991 and found that they remained very toxic and showed little sign of deterioration."


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« Reply #65 on: March 26, 2003, 06:30:29 PM »
lol, dajo
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« Reply #66 on: March 26, 2003, 06:32:10 PM »
Great detective work dajo. Make him a mod :D
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« Reply #67 on: March 26, 2003, 06:49:55 PM »
pwned...
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« Reply #68 on: March 26, 2003, 07:07:36 PM »
Mystiq, the reason I didn\'t reply saying they were stupid was because I am busy as shit right now working for a living.  I don\'t have the time to read that crap.  I skimmed through it and virtually everything I read I felt, "Um, so what?"



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« Reply #69 on: March 26, 2003, 08:26:15 PM »
Oh yeah Mystiq stop quoting sources that use Scott Ritter... that might help your argument for a start.
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« Reply #70 on: March 26, 2003, 09:07:44 PM »
I said I didn\'t make it up.

Anyways heres the link:
http://work.colum.edu/~amiller/pp012103.htm

It has more than what I posted and links you to the "facts" and "proof" you guys crave so much.
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« Reply #71 on: March 28, 2003, 06:43:08 AM »
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No, it\'s arrogance. We\'ve earned it.

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Yeah.Its very convenient to answer with arrogance than answering directly to the point.


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Who was the Iraqi family you met?

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I didnt mention it as proof that Saddam isnt a dictator and you could have answered directly to my post without irony.

Instead I ll do you a favour and answer to my own statement with three possibilities that satisfy both views:

1.Saddam offered many great things to his country to sweeten the people and create a good image and impressions about himseld before he actually revealed his true self.

2.After some argues with the US and threads of his enemies he felt unsafety, insecured and suspicious to such sickeningly degree he became a dictator governing his people brutely imprisoning and getting rid of anyone he susspected as cooperating with his enemies or the US against him

3.Probabply you are right and the family we met were indeed Qusay Hussein :rolleyes:

*Ofcourse there could be other possibilities.

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For every 1 Iraqi national that lives outside the country and protests the war there are 100 more that are for it.


Oh yeah as if you have been to Iraq and seen them.
I see contradictions so huge everyday between american newscasts and others that I dont know what to believe anymore.


This war didnt increase the hatred against Saddam.Actually it coiled them up against the US and British forces.

People dont bother bringing down their dictator leader when their country is threatened  and attacked.Instead they unite to defend their country.

The same thing happened in Greece in WW2.They were governed by the dictator Metaksas.But when the Germans threatened their country they united and supported their governor instead, to defend their country.All their efforts were targeted at defeating the enemy.

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unicron, repeat after me

"there is no consipracy"


mm repeat after me

"behind every war hide great interests"

Do u really beleive that a government that cares only about everything that is good and pure really exists?Do u think the US is that kind of country?There is no such country?Every government cares mostly about their personal interests.Others show it, others hide it.

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There are no truths or lies, only personal opinions and vendettas.

/me has seen Unicron spell "Iraqi" ten different ways.


The problem is that the so called "personal" opinions can be formed by governments however they see fit.

You could have had a complete different opinion if you were shown different things.

BTW:I am not doing a spelling competition here:D

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The Iraqis that are protesting probably aren\'t living in Iraq and if they are, they are forced to by Saddam.

Our whole war is on Iraqi liberation. When we kill saddam, Iraq is liberated. If we actually killed him the first night, the war would be over already and people would be happy. I have too much of a headache right now to make sense out of this right now.


Probably.How can Saddam force them?How can he control them outside Iraq?Especially when Iraq is being attacked?You are rejecting whatever chances they exist that show that the Iraquis dont want this war.

Ofcourse you, the everyday American citizens want the Iraqis to live in prosperity.That\'s what we all want for every human being in this God damned planet.

But everyday you are being bombarded with information that exaggerate.And I am too when there are issues that concern "my" country(notice the" ").The difference is that the war in Iraq concerns the whole world.Its not just the story u ve been told of the dictator Saddam that threatens the US.
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« Reply #72 on: March 28, 2003, 07:22:11 AM »
can i get a condensed version?
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« Reply #73 on: March 28, 2003, 08:55:41 AM »
I skimmed through it.. Not a whole lot interesting although he did say this...

"The same thing happened in Greece in WW2.They were governed by the dictator Metaksas.But when the Germans threatened their country they united and supported their governor instead, to defend their country.All their efforts were targeted at defeating the enemy. "


I think he is actually comparing our defending our country by removing an evil dictator from power to a Nazi war monger.
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« Reply #74 on: March 28, 2003, 09:40:28 AM »
i\'m not suprised
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