You can not call the hassle in Iraq a War...

Rant:

I have followed the CNN news-coverage of the War nearly 24/7 since the first attack began. I know - I am a freak whom eats information for breakfast and drinks up conspiracy theories. If you want to hear a mysterious story, knock on my door. If you want alternative possibilities, explanations or opinions on any given situation, knock on my door. If you want to assassinate me, my door is open. Anyway, I came to the conclusion that this is no war - this is a take-over. It is the same as if I had asked a 7-year-old to spar with me in the local Boxing-ring yesterday. Too easy.

What is the purpose of this "war"? Oil. It is so obvious that it hurts. Terrorism and chemical weapons only serve the soup as spices - something to confuse and trick thousands of american mouths with. When will we learn to hate the ignorant qualities of Wars and Violence? I don\'t want to sound like a 50-year-old hippie, but we, as a species, should seek for survival - not destruction. Our planet is only a grain of sand within an endless desert - our problems are insignificant; meaningless. Western Religions are only excuses, enterprises driven by simple politics. "God is on our side" is the easiest way to validate a sinful action - for if God approves, then we should too. Let me underline that if there is an omni-present God, He / She / It only laughs at our hard-headed stupidity.

We fail to take the attack on Iraq as an act of terrorism - or at least the truth shouldn\'t be said out loud. We fail to look at this war from the point-of-view of those innocent residents of Iraq whose lives are in constant danger at the moment - for them, America is the haven of terrorism, not vise versa. Axis of Evil indeed.

Confusion is the word of the day. I still don\'t have a clear picture of what\'s going on within the borders of Iraq - and no, I don\'t trust CNN; given that it is an American news-channel; the easiest outlet for propaganda and false truths. I might seem as an anti-american person, but deep inside I am neutral-minded. I am not going to take sides in this "war", as there are no sides for me to choose from. Yet, who knows? Maybe there\'s something horribly wrong in Iraq - perhaps the American Goverment knows more - much more - than we do. Either way, I am just going to hold my breath and wait for this insanity to stop. I might die in the process - but then again, this world is only a place of misery, stupidity and poverty.  Whether I vanish from this stage of existence or remain within it, nothing is going to change. So why even bother?

Ehm - mods, feel free to move this topic to it\'s rightful board. I was in the heat of the moment and \'thus failed to notice the Political Forum. My apologies.

What is the purpose of this "war"? Oil. It is so obvious that it hurts.

sorry bro, i lost ALL interest in anything you might have wanted to say when i read that.

Originally posted by mm


sorry bro, i lost ALL interest in anything you might have wanted to say when i read that.

And why?

Do you consider Saddam to be a real threat against humanity? The truth is that Saddam doesn\'t stand a chance against USA. Bush Jr. knows this - probably knew this since the beginning. Or do you reckon that the War was based upon rumours of chemical weapons - the liberation of the people of Iraq? I very much doubt it, my friend. Oil means money, and money means power. Power is what we, as ignorant human beings, seek. We do not spend huge amounts of cash if there isn\'t a greater amount of cash behind the investment.

Originally posted by Darth Joyda


 Power is what we, as ignorant human beings, seek. We do not spend huge amounts of cash if there isn\'t a greater amount of cash behind the investment.

Exactly!

[Titan]

Originally posted by mm


sorry bro, i lost ALL interest in anything you might have wanted to say when i read that.

Ditto to that man. We don\'t want nor need the oil. A small percentage actually comes from Iraq. Saddam is a threat to humanity. But thats not really the point. He\'s broken the treaty of the Geneva Convention so many times by using chemical weapons, showing POWs on TV, killing his own civilians, stockpiling on missiles that he\'s not even allowed to have. He\'s stockpiling on biological weapons. Now, when you stockpile shit like that, you have plans to use it and Hussein has.

sorry, DJ

im not even gonna get into it with you.  you have a very, VERY jaded (misinformed) view of why we are over there

[videoholic]

I don\'t think I made it any further than mm.

Until I hear a non idiotic viewpoint on why we shouldn\'t be getting rid of this regime, I\'m going to fully back this war.

[Living-In-Clip]

Here\'s a thought. Why the hell should we care what goes on with Iraqi people? Why do we have to be big brother? I\'ll be honest. I know I don\'t care how the Iraqi people are living and being treated by their goverment. It makes no difference to me if they are being slaughtered or if they are living peaceful.

Harsh? Yes. But I see no reason for us to be over there, tryin\' to get rid of these regime and "free IRAQ", when we have more problems at home that need to be taken care of. We shouldn\'t have to pay for a stupid war, for another country can be "free".

With that said - I don\'t believe this war is about freeing Iraqi people, oil or any of that. I belive it is about Bush, being in a pissing contest . Not to mention it is a nice distraction on his Osama Bin Laden "war" that he never fully delivered on .

[Jumpman]

I made it a little further than mm and the others.

"don\'t want to sound like a 50-year-old hippie, but we, as a species, should seek for survival - not destruction."

Destruction is often a necessary solution for survival.

"it\'s only when we\'ve lost everything, we can do anything"

shameless plug*

[Jumpman]

Here\'s a thought. Why the hell should we care what goes on with Iraqi people?

Because they are people, just like us, who are unfairly living their lives in pain and agany simply because of one man.

The US is doing a nice thing here no matter how you look at it. Go US.

US & allies does have advantage but it\'s not as easy as taking candy from a kid. Saddam has many hardcore troops that won\'t hesitate to go suicide bombing against US troops in the name of Islam/Saddam.

Do not believe everything u see or hear on CNN. A lot of contradicting reports are coming from other channels worldwide. Like the 8,000 Iraqi troops who were reported to have surrender now is being dismiss as a gimmick by CNN as nothing like it has said to have taken place.

Hyvä!

I Agree with most of the things DJ said in his post, except for the oil thing.

There is no such thing as a perfect country, where everyone is equal and completley free.  The goal of communisim is a noble one, unfortuantly there are way too many downsides to communisim, and it fails to achieve its goal. This world is entirly ignorant, and every form of govermant is wrong.  I do believe that America, is based on good ideas, but throughout the years, it has done some pretty bad things.

Our country has growing rates of poverty, and many people die every day because they cannot afford health care. Not to mention, victoms of AIDS in africa cannot afford much of the care they need, because American companys charge money, but of course, that is just capitalisim. I really dont care if I sound like a communist, but everyone in the world should have free health care, health shouldn\'t be an advantage of the wealthy, something to be profited off of.

The public education system in our country is horrible, and although president Bush is making changes to try and improve this, they will ultimatly fail. The school system makes it impossible for those living in poverty to get out, parents that can only afford the small crowded public schools with non-qualified teacher will never get their children a good education.... and then the cycle of poverty will continue.