For those that have seen the matrix reloaded (no spoilers)

Damn you L-i-C, you posted my exact thoughts on page 4! Wark! I almost walked out during the cave scene, honestly. And the french guy made me want to scream. We\'re not stupid, really. (some of us are, but most aren\'t)

And for you people who like to think deeeep, you considered what Zion stands for?

Zion

1. The historic land of Israel as a symbol of the Jewish people.
The Jewish people; Israel.
2. A place or religious community regarded as sacredly devoted to God.
3. An idealized, harmonious community; utopia.

Idealized, harmonious community? When dealing with people, that\'s a real utopia, if you ask me. Just more stuck-in symbolism hinting that the Zion isn\'t real. The second tab also gives room for much speculation, but I hated the film enough not to go too deep

my thoughts on the movie,
lots of eyecandy, nice fight scenes. thats about it.

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So true.

I\'d be all for a Neo only movie, where he flys around and kicks ass in general. As long as it doesn\'t have some cliche\'d and borin\' script.

Ok wether any of you care or not is one thing but i saw it for the third time (i took my mother out to see it since she hadnt) and i realized that Zion is not destroyed. All this time i was thinking that they were talking about zion when they rescued neo and them and sait it was a slaughter. They were reffering to the ships defending the attack points, (one had smith on it, thus the cause of the early emp (im guessing)). Smith was thus the survivor. Neo even said before he fell into a damn coma that they had 24 hours before the attack and in the new trailer you see the squidies (sentinals) attacking zion. So just to clear that up for you all that might browse over this. Zion is not dead.

[SirMystiq]

DUUUMB YOU THOUGHT ZION WAS DESTROYED......HAHAHAHA

nah im just playin wit ya bro

Newayz yeah, if you play the Matrix game you get to see what happens. The Smith dude kills all the peeps aboard this ship, and he sets off the EMP causin the other ships nearby to loose power therefore the squidies come right in for a quick kill. Remember all the Ships were supposed to set tehir EMP off at the same time. But Smith ****ed it up.

Finally saw it... bah. Give me ROTK.

I didn\'t read the whole thread yet, but will do and then give some of my opinions.

But let\'s just say that I was a bit ... underwhelmed. The Zion parts were a tad slow and/or boring. Sure, great effects but still... I\'ll go see it again soon.

I\'ve got a few thoughts about the whole "The Matrix" universe. It doesn\'t necessarily relate only to Matrix: Reloaded.

1) In theory - in our real world - a simulation would be just that: a simulation. Meaning that the \'people\' living inside the simulation are not real people, but rather complicated pieces of programming. So there wouldn\'t be a \'living\' human being behind every simulated person in the simulated world.

2) Let\'s assume there\'s a matrix inside a matrix. Why stop at two simulations? There could be hundreds of simulations, where in each one \'person\' would believe it\'s the only one - the \'real\' world.

3) If the machines really were living off humans, then why bother to create a matrix for them to live in at all? And how would it even be possible to connect living humans into a simulation (I know it\'s just a movie/theory and all, but still)? As I see it there would be two options:

- Either the humans used for energy are in a state of coma, not realising a damn thing about the real world they exist in
- or the humans would be consious of their (ab)use and capture by the machines. Either way it shouldn\'t be too hard for such advanced machines to make sure that the humans couldn\'t move/escape, thus making it moot whether they\'re aware of their fate or not. But the first option would be easier for the machines I reckon.

I\'m sure I could think of a lot more regarding this issue, but I gotta go now. Perhaps there\'ll be more later.

I bought the Animatrix DVD yesterday. I must admit that I liked and enjoyed much more than I had expected. I don\'t like anime, but these episodes rock. It may be because deal with the matrix plot... anyway, I liked \'em, except the last one (matriculated), that was a very puzzling and abstract.

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The only episodes I like are.

\'The Final Flight of Orisis\'

\' The Second Renissance : Part 2 \'

\' Program \'

\' Beyond \'

\'A Detective Story\'

Any of the others I found to be filler and don\'t get me started on \' Matriculated\' . I found it just to be downright annoying.

Second Renissance : Part 2 - The part of the Matrix history I\'d really wanted to see, certainly the best Animatrix.

Although for some reason I really liked World Record.

Am I odd?

Originally posted by Samwise
I\'ve got a few thoughts about the whole "The Matrix" universe. It doesn\'t necessarily relate only to Matrix: Reloaded.

2) Let\'s assume there\'s a matrix inside a matrix. Why stop at two simulations? There could be hundreds of simulations, where in each one \'person\' would believe it\'s the only one - the \'real\' world.

3) If the machines really were living off humans, then why bother to create a matrix for them to live in at all? And how would it even be possible to connect living humans into a simulation (I know it\'s just a movie/theory and all, but still)? As I see it there would be two options:

- Either the humans used for energy are in a state of coma, not realising a damn thing about the real world they exist in
- or the humans would be consious of their (ab)use and capture by the machines. Either way it shouldn\'t be too hard for such advanced machines to make sure that the humans couldn\'t move/escape, thus making it moot whether they\'re aware of their fate or not. But the first option would be easier for the machines I reckon.

I\'m sure I could think of a lot more regarding this issue, but I gotta go now. Perhaps there\'ll be more later.

Yeah about number two. I Made a theory kinda like that but the new matrixes were just spawned after history repeated itself in a matrix. So a new marix formulates itselfevery cycle.

and #3: ive wondered about that too. I dont quite get it but it may be that the humans cant be kept in a constant state of sleep mentally and in dreams you often wake up or if you dont, your dream becomes a reality to your brain thus causing the body to go into trauma when it cant wake up out of maybe a nightmare etc. So to swing around this problem the matrix was created and kept the mind and body busy and free of any of the reprocussions of eternal sleep.

I wonder how many machines there are and how much power is generated by a single human being because then the amount of people needed would be tremendous. But anyway how do the machines make babies? They say that people are grown and not born. If thats true then they cant inpregnate a woman or remove her sexual reproductions organs because then it would be obvious to the people in the "real world." Meh just something to think about.

Yes

Matrix is necessary because of the emotional background in humans. A human cannot live without mind, I mean, without a minimum knowledge of the environment. Have you ever heard about those babies that born under coma status? They dye after some months / few years. But not due to the coma, but the psychological factor. Matrix is the only way to keep the brain alive, so that the body can also live.

It is virtually possible to create a matrix in a determined human. Perhaps not at that level of matrix but yes at low stages. In the future it will be possible. I\'m sure. Virtual reality and electric brain waves have being developed for years...

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Green, I thought the animation hurt \'World Record\', espically the way the agents was animated.

I saw The Matrix Reloaded yesterday, and loved it. Not every minute of it - but the Matrix saga, as an overall \'thus far, works well. If one claims that the plot wasn\'t \'thought-provoking\' or \'overly complicated\', he / she hasn\'t read through this thread. The best thing about the film, really, was it\'s plot. Do you really care whether Matrix is a sum of rip-offs? Given that it is nearly an impossibility to create anything original these days, The Matrix was a daring sum of old ideas presented in a very modern fashion. Kudos to Wachowskis for that.

Currently, I agree with Ryu and his well-written replies. It would be stupid and futile to repeat statements that have already been written to near perfection by another person. In other words, you stole my thoughts, Ryu

Samwise, you also presented one theory that raced through my mind yesterday-night. The theory of many layers within Matrix - or Matrixes within the Matrix; or Matrixes. What if there exists an endless amount of Matrixes, each with slightly different mathematical equations to start with? Read the multi-verse theory and you will understand my point, if you didn\'t already