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« Reply #45 on: May 17, 2003, 03:43:13 PM »
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[sp]What I don\'t understand is what really goes on in the second. I understood that the French guy can modify the Matrix and add little things, I understand that the Oracle is a program and I understand Zion is under attack and I get that the programmer of the Matrix gives Neo a choice. But what does all that mean? They jump from one point to another. Maybe I need to see it again to understand it. But what was that thing about the choice of destroying Zion or the Matrix? Did Neo decide to save everyone still plugged into the Matrix in hopes of unplugging them and rebuilding Zion and destroying the machines? Is that what the other 5 "Ones" did? [/sp]

[sp]I dont know what the others did but the architect said that his case was more complicated because he was in love with trinity. So shouldnt there only have been one choice for the others? And plus, the architect said that the other door led to the salvation of zion. Now if this is true and the previous "ones" didnt have lovers wouldnt zion be free by now? And what if neo went back to zion? If the people of zion knew that neo had no powers inside the "real" world then what would be the point of him going??? Maybe the architect knew that he had power outside and thus gave him the "salvation" choice? meh, I think you need to watch the movie again. I saw it for the second time yesterday. Something else that i noticed was that all that talk about neo and agent smith having part of eachother in them and stuff, in the revolutions trailer you see smith flying at neo and maybe that explains why neo has some power over the machines. If that isnt the reason, smith also said that maybe something got copied on to eachother so that would mean that neo is either in 2 matricies or that neo is a program capable of interdimentional travel between the matricies. Otherwise how could you explain the graphting of info into smith? And what happened to niobe and friends on board the logos? [/sp]
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« Reply #46 on: May 17, 2003, 04:35:13 PM »
I saw this movie Yesterday.

The Matrix was my Favorite movie.
Reloaded just makes me like it more.

Two of the people I went with didn\'t like it because the story got "stupid". I think the problem was that they just didn\'t understand.

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Even though I got most of the movie, I was reading through your post and one of you said that the Neo\'s on the TVs were the other "ones"....What do you mean?! I tought they were just showing Neo\'s secret reactions or all the ways he could of reacted....

This was the first movie that I went with my girlfriend with, and didn\'t make out for more than five seconds. But she said she was expecting that.

I don\'t know how to use spoilers, I don\'t think it matters because probably most of you have seen it anyways....


I don\'t think there is another matrix. I agree on the whole Neo being somehow connected with the machines when he "killed" agent Smith...

The story got so much deeper...I love movies that mess with my head....
Don\'t try to confuse me with what you call  facts, my mind is already made up.

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« Reply #47 on: May 17, 2003, 05:14:14 PM »
[sp]Well see if you were listening to the architect and everyone else, they kept on saying that they lived through his predessesors and the architect said that there have been 5 other people before neo with the gift of manipulating the matrix. The same thing that has been going on in the movie has happened 5 times before and neo is the 6th one. Thats why morpheus in the matrix said that the one was said to come back and free the people of zion because there was previous neo-types. [/sp]
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« Reply #48 on: May 17, 2003, 06:01:50 PM »
Yeah, I get that. Neo is the 6th "the one" . There have been others before him and such. What I meant to ask was that how do you know the Neo\'s on TV were the other 5 "ones"?
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« Reply #49 on: May 17, 2003, 06:07:23 PM »
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Yeah, I get that. Neo is the 6th "the one" . There have been others before him and such. What I meant to ask was that how do you know the Neo\'s on TV were the other 5 "ones"?


That i dont think any of us are sure of. I really dont think they were the others because some of the responses seemed so unreal and just funny. So i think that the screens might have portrayed neo\'s thoughts maybe. Again im not sure.
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« Reply #50 on: May 17, 2003, 07:54:14 PM »
The Architect - Hello, Neo.

Neo - Who are you?

The Architect - I am the Architect. I created the matrix. I’ve been waiting for you. You have many questions, and although the process has altered your consciousness, you remain irrevocably human. Ergo, some of my answers you will understand, and some of them you will not. Concordantly, while your first question may be the most pertinent, you may or may not realize it is also irrelevant.

Neo - Why am I here?

The Architect - Your life is the sum of a remainder of an unbalanced equation inherent to the programming of the matrix. You are the eventuality of an anomaly, which despite my sincerest efforts I have been unable to eliminate from what is otherwise a harmony of mathematical precision. While it remains a burden to sedulously avoid it, it is not unexpected, and thus not beyond a measure of control. Which has led you, inexorably, here.

Neo - You haven’t answered my question.

The Architect - Quite right. Interesting. That was quicker than the others.

*The responses of the other Ones appear on the monitors: “Others? What others? How many? Answer me!”*

The Architect - The matrix is older than you know. I prefer counting from the emergence of one integral anomaly to the emergence of the next, in which case this is the sixth version.

*Again, the responses of the other Ones appear on the monitors: “Five versions? Three? I’ve been lied too. This is bull****.*

Neo: There are only two possible explanations: either no one told me, or no one knows.

The Architect - Precisely. As you are undoubtedly gathering, the anomaly’s systemic, creating fluctuations in even the most simplistic equations.

*Once again, the responses of the other Ones appear on the monitors: “You can‘t control me! **** you! I’m going to kill you! You can‘t make me do anything!*

Neo - Choice. The problem is choice.

*The scene cuts to Trinity fighting an agent, and then back to the Architects room*

The Architect - The first matrix I designed was quite naturally perfect, it was a work of art, flawless, sublime. A triumph equaled only by its monumental failure. The inevitability of its doom is as apparent to me now as a consequence of the imperfection inherent in every human being, thus I redesigned it based on your history to more accurately reflect the varying grotesqueries of your nature. However, I was again frustrated by failure. I have since come to understand that the answer eluded me because it required a lesser mind, or perhaps a mind less bound by the parameters of perfection. Thus, the answer was stumbled upon by another, an intuitive program, initially created to investigate certain aspects of the human psyche. If I am the father of the matrix, she would undoubtedly be its mother.

Neo - The Oracle.

The Architect - Please. As I was saying, she stumbled upon a solution whereby nearly 99.9% of all test subjects accepted the program, as long as they were given a choice, even if they were only aware of the choice at a near unconscious level. While this answer functioned, it was obviously fundamentally flawed, thus creating the otherwise contradictory systemic anomaly, that if left unchecked might threaten the system itself. Ergo, those that refused the program, while a minority, if unchecked, would constitute an escalating probability of disaster.

Neo - This is about Zion.

The Architect - You are here because Zion is about to be destroyed. Its every living inhabitant terminated, its entire existence eradicated.

Neo - Bull****.

*The responses of the other Ones appear on the monitors: “Bull****!”*

The Architect - Denial is the most predictable of all human responses. But, rest assured, this will be the sixth time we have destroyed it, and we have become exceedingly efficient at it.

*Scene cuts to Trinity fighting an agent, and then back to the Architects room.*

The Architect - The function of the One is now to return to the source, allowing a temporary dissemination of the code you carry, reinserting the prime program. After which you will be required to select from the matrix 23 individuals, 16 female, 7 male, to rebuild Zion. Failure to comply with this process will result in a cataclysmic system crash killing everyone connected to the matrix, which coupled with the extermination of Zion will ultimately result in the extinction of the entire human race.

Neo - You won’t let it happen, you can’t. You need human beings to survive.

The Architect - There are levels of survival we are prepared to accept. However, the relevant issue is whether or not you are ready to accept the responsibility for the death of every human being in this world.

*The Architect presses a button on a pen that he is holding, and images of people from all over the matrix appear on the monitors*

The Architect - It is interesting reading your reactions. Your five predecessors were by design based on a similar predication, a contingent affirmation that was meant to create a profound attachment to the rest of your species, facilitating the function of the one. While the others experienced this in a very general way, your experience is far more specific. Vis-a-vis, love.

*Images of Trinity fighting the agent from Neos dream appear on the monitors*

Neo - Trinity.

The Architect - Apropos, she entered the matrix to save your life at the cost of her own.

Neo - No!

The Architect - Which brings us at last to the moment of truth, wherein the fundamental flaw is ultimately expressed, and the anomaly revealed as both beginning, and end. There are two doors. The door to your right leads to the source, and the salvation of Zion. The door to the left leads back to the matrix, to her, and to the end of your species. As you adequately put, the problem is choice. But we already know what you’re going to do, don’t we? Already I can see the chain reaction, the chemical precursors that signal the onset of emotion, designed specifically to overwhelm logic, and reason. An emotion that is already blinding you from the simple, and obvious truth: she is going to die, and there is nothing that you can do to stop it.

*Neo walks to the door on his left*

The Architect - Humph. Hope, it is the quintessential human delusion, simultaneously the source of your greatest strength, and your greatest weakness.

Neo - If I were you, I would hope that we don’t meet again.

The Architect - We won’t.
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« Reply #51 on: May 17, 2003, 08:02:49 PM »
Thanks Gman. I understand that part a bit better now.
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« Reply #52 on: May 17, 2003, 08:44:52 PM »
Yeah thanx for cutting this one out. I have the script but i havent taken the key parts out. thnx. Important part. Y not put this in the matrix thread instead of a new one?
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« Reply #53 on: May 17, 2003, 08:55:41 PM »
Woah. I just saw the part about the responses of the other ones. I dont know how i missed that the second time i saw it.
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The responses of the other Ones appear on the monitors


Or wait is that just a note? Cause i was discussing in the official thread that i dont think we can really tell. There are only 4 responses from the others. Seems kinda iffy to me.
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« Reply #54 on: May 17, 2003, 09:00:57 PM »
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Yeah thanx for cutting this one out. I have the script but i havent taken the key parts out. thnx. Important part. Y not put this in the matrix thread instead of a new one?


Coz this is not speculation like in that thread. This is like a reference thread since it\'s not buried. I doubt it will get much replies as the original.
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« Reply #55 on: May 18, 2003, 01:46:57 AM »
Just saw it. [sp] Personally I don\'t think the "real world" is a matrix itself. I think that when agent smith tried to take over neo, he also copied part of himself to neo by accident. If smith can take over a human brain and be in the "real world" why can\'t part of neo have part of smith in the "real world" etc. That\'s why he could stop the machines... If they’re in a matrix in the “real world”. When they finally do escape it. They will be back where they started. So part 3 would be pretty long movie ehh. Unless it\'s some kinda sick human experiments on humans.. ;) [/sp]

Just some thoughts..
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« Reply #56 on: May 18, 2003, 09:08:30 AM »
Any link to the whole script?
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« Reply #57 on: May 18, 2003, 02:45:01 PM »
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Just saw it. [sp] Personally I don\'t think the "real world" is a matrix itself. I think that when agent smith tried to take over neo, he also copied part of himself to neo by accident. If smith can take over a human brain and be in the "real world" why can\'t part of neo have part of smith in the "real world" etc. That\'s why he could stop the machines... If they’re in a matrix in the “real world”. When they finally do escape it. They will be back where they started. So part 3 would be pretty long movie ehh. Unless it\'s some kinda sick human experiments on humans.. ;) [/sp]

Just some thoughts..


[sp]Yeah this is what i was saying earlier. I really dont think there are two matricies but if the whole agent smith and neo thing is true then i still dont know how neo could control the machines. I mean before some of neo was copied on to agent smith he was a just a program and in the real world agent smith couldnt take on any type of form. it was only when part of neo was graphted on to him could he take control of a human body and move from the real world to the matrix. And why was he cutting himself? I didnt get that part.[/sp]
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« Reply #58 on: May 18, 2003, 05:00:07 PM »
First, take note everyone:  The word is spelled REVOLUTIONS.  Thank you.  :)

Second, [sp]I just saw the film for the first time.  There are many things to consider, and there simply isn\'t enough indisputable evidence to arrive at a conclusion no most of these questions.  I will place a vote on one issue though.  I think that the world the characters refer to as "The Real" is indeed another Matrix.  I\'ve been thinking this since 1999 when I saw the first film.  As you recall, when Neo is retrieved from the Matrix and wakes up in the ship for the first time in his \'real\' body, he says something like "Am I dead?"  He recovers, and continues a life split between the real world and the Matrix with little difficulty.  I always thought, wouldn\'t there be some difference in sensation between the real world and the simulation that should be remarked upon?  Wouldn\'t the real world feel a little MORE real, or maybe less real than the Matrix?  They should not be indistinguishable after you\'ve experienced both.  Yet they don\'t remark upon it.  Either it\'s just an overlooked element of that script, or maybe Neo is still in the Matrix when he\'s in both worlds.[/sp]

Third, [sp]I was a little disappointed with the density of the dialogue in Reloaded.  It almost borders on what I call "X-Files Dialogue."  That is, characters seem to have no hesitation in talking, and they seem to think that what they\'re saying is very revealing and of great importance, but when the viewer considers it carefully, it really doesn\'t reveal anything.  It\'s like burying the signal in an avalanche of false signal.  Intentional disinformation, or the whole "baffle them with bullshit" technique.  In truth, this script is not as bad as a typical X-Files episode in that regard, but it comes close.  It\'s almost as if the Wachowskis expect and demand that their audience see the film at least 2-3 times to weed out the false information and fully assimilate the dialogue.  I won\'t complain too loudly because I probably will see it more than 2-3 times.  Casual viewers might be frustrated by it though.[/sp]
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« Reply #59 on: May 18, 2003, 05:21:52 PM »
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First, take note everyone:  The word is spelled REVOLUTIONS.  Thank you.  :)

Second, [sp]I just saw the film for the first time.  There are many things to consider, and there simply isn\'t enough indisputable evidence to arrive at a conclusion no most of these questions.  I will place a vote on one issue though.  I think that the world the characters refer to as "The Real" is indeed another Matrix.  I\'ve been thinking this since 1999 when I saw the first film.  As you recall, when Neo is retrieved from the Matrix and wakes up in the ship for the first time in his \'real\' body, he says something like "Am I dead?"  He recovers, and continues a life split between the real world and the Matrix with little difficulty.  I always thought, wouldn\'t there be some difference in sensation between the real world and the simulation that should be remarked upon?  Wouldn\'t the real world feel a little MORE real, or maybe less real than the Matrix?  They should not be indistinguishable after you\'ve experienced both.  Yet they don\'t remark upon it.  Either it\'s just an overlooked element of that script, or maybe Neo is still in the Matrix when he\'s in both worlds.[/sp]

Third, [sp]I was a little disappointed with the density of the dialogue in Reloaded.  It almost borders on what I call "X-Files Dialogue."  That is, characters seem to have no hesitation in talking, and they seem to think that what they\'re saying is very revealing and of great importance, but when the viewer considers it carefully, it really doesn\'t reveal anything.  It\'s like burying the signal in an avalanche of false signal.  Intentional disinformation, or the whole "baffle them with bullshit" technique.  In truth, this script is not as bad as a typical X-Files episode in that regard, but it comes close.  It\'s almost as if the Wachowskis expect and demand that their audience see the film at least 2-3 times to weed out the false information and fully assimilate the dialogue.  I won\'t complain too loudly because I probably will see it more than 2-3 times.  Casual viewers might be frustrated by it though.[/sp]


[sp]Thank you for your spelling lesson.;) As for your first "spoiler" about the distiguishable worlds, I think it shouldnt feel much different because the matrix was supposed to simulate real life. Gravity etc. All was taken into acount. They said that they studied human life to create it. When transfering into the "real" world, it would most definately feel the same. The only difference was that neo never used his eyes. One thing that does seem fishy is that their muscles didnt decompose. Other than that, zion etc. the way people went about things and interacted was all a result of the matrix because thats where everyone was educated and thus think the way they did in the matrix.

And to your other spoiler I personally like the way the xfiles dialogue goes. It seems like you dont like this type of dialogue the way i hate to hear full 3d graphics on video game boxes because its not revealing in the slightest bit. Correct me if im wrong. Actually i dont think the script was made to waste time by throwing peices in there. The film was long enough. I think the purpose was parcially to clue in the audience that may not have gotten the point earlier in the movie. Who knows. Any way i have seen it twice and i have the script so oh well but if i missed what you were saying please explain in lamens terms (if that is in fact how you spell it).[/sp]
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