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« on: July 28, 2003, 03:42:34 AM »
..if this is true?

Do people want to be fed with false info?

http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig/steinreich8.html

Makes me wonder if "source criticism" exists in Fox News little world.

Doesn’t objective media mean anything? Now I know why my social studies teacher told me they should not be taken seriously.
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« Reply #1 on: July 28, 2003, 04:31:14 AM »
Well after working in the news business for 7 years, I\'ll tell you that news organizations don\'t make stuff up.  Except for the chosen few who are highly unethical and don\'t deserve to be a journalist.

What happens is that they are all in a fight for the same story  With this they want to run every little thing they hear about.  Problem is that if they wait until the tip is justified or verified then it could very well be "too late" and the competition has already run it.

With this you get miss information.  This is the penalty for having cometing independent news agencies battling.

If the media was run by the government then no one would know anything so what would you rather have?  It\'s a double edged sword.

Another thing the media does which is very damaging to credibility is they blow shit out of proportion.  It is very annoying.  I\'ve had reporters before presenting the story as if it\'s the end of the world when really they just installed a new street light.
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« Reply #2 on: July 28, 2003, 04:59:02 AM »
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What happens is that they are all in a fight for the same story  With this they want to run every little thing they hear about.  Problem is that if they wait until the tip is justified or verified then it could very well be "too late" and the competition has already run it.

With this you get miss information.  This is the penalty for having cometing independent news agencies battling.


True.

But Fox News seem to be EXTREME in reporting every tiny big of ("positive") news (true or not true), and their objectivity seems to have taken a vacation.
As it says on the site: "Since the Iraq conflict began on March 20, Fox News has been on a mission to legitimize it. "

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If the media was run by the government then no one would know anything so what would you rather have?  It\'s a double edged sword.


What do you mean?
We have it like that here. Three channels that everybody with a television set and a antenna can watch. Two of them are owned by the state (owned as in "public service" - SVT 1 and 2), but the government does not control what they air, and it is absolutely forbidden to control/interfere what the News air.


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Another thing the media does which is very damaging to credibility is they blow shit out of proportion.  It is very annoying.  I\'ve had reporters before presenting the story as if it\'s the end of the world when really they just installed a new street light.


Hehe, I agree.
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« Reply #3 on: July 28, 2003, 11:21:38 AM »
Dead On


i trust the news we get as much as i trust organized religion. you have to take in a lot of it and then stuff it through a big bullshit filter. titrate that shit down and then make your best guess at what really happened.
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« Reply #4 on: July 28, 2003, 01:32:26 PM »
I trust Fox News more then I do with CNN. Now, blowing stuff out of proportion, that is a problem with the media in general (laci Peterson case. Who the FREAKING cares?). But the thing about Fox News is, they do it with giving BOTH sides of the story (you can argue they are giving the conservative side more sway, which I will not argue. Just that, if you actually WATCH CNN [more on this in the next paragraph]...). Doesn\'t mean that Fox News isn\'t bias (all networks are). Or, dare I say it, too "pro-American". But compared to the other networks...it is more "fair and balanced".

Second, CNN isn\'t innocent either. This is the channel that ADMITTED, that to keep an office in Baghdad, it allowed Saddam to do anything it wanted while CNN looked the other way. They also allowed to have their OWN workers tortured, and did nothing about it. After basically breaking the trust of the American people with stories like these, CNN has, for the most part been EXTREMELY anti-American in its reporting. Now, there is NOTHING wrong with reporting bad news about Americans in Baghdad (or bad news about the US in general). Yet, WHERE is the other side of the story? Where are the stories about Americans building schools and helping children have a better life? All we hear from CNN is how much the Iraqis hate Americans. Which is funny since, many polls done in Iraq shows that MOST Iraqis are glad that Americans are there and that life IS better. Fair and balanced?

And even with all that, even CNN is being critized as being too "conservative" or "flag waving". Makes you wonder what fair and balanced means to some people.

And again, the problem with the news in general, whether it is Fox News, CNN, New York Times, whatever...is not only what they decide to air, print, or talk about, but also what they do NOT tell you. You should be critical of anything you hear or read.
« Last Edit: July 28, 2003, 01:36:48 PM by Simchoy »
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« Reply #5 on: July 28, 2003, 01:51:58 PM »
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All we hear from CNN is how much the Iraqis hate Americans. Which is funny since, many polls done in Iraq shows that MOST Iraqis are glad that Americans are there and that life IS better. Fair and balanced?

Wouldn\'t the poll results be kind of skewed? Its doubtful that they polled all Iraqi citizens. Thats like me going into a southern baptist church and having a poll on abortion.

The people who are not glad to have US in Iraq are too busy throwing grenades and shooting our troops to fill out happiness polls.
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« Reply #6 on: July 28, 2003, 01:59:45 PM »
Normally, I\'m critical of polls, and I\'m still am. But since these polls are coming from sources that are EXTREMELY crtical of the war, CNN or even the BBC, I tend to believe that, at the very least, MOST Iraqis are greatful for what the Americans have done.

Now, obviously NOT every Iraqis think Americans are great (espeically the one killing our soldiers) but to protray it like EVERYONE hates us there (like what CNN is doing) is just as "unfair" and "unbalanced" as what people are accusing Fox News as being too "pro-American".

It should be also pointed out that, CNN reporters, as well as BBC reporters, they like to sit in their nice hotels while anti-American factions in Iraq perade in front of them. In fact, there are even reports that CNN even KNOWS when the next anti-American protest happens because...the organizers call them up so that they can come. And again, the people protesting are all the same people. But CNN never tells you that part. Its another case of, its not only whats reported that should be critized, but also, what is NOT reported.
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« Reply #7 on: August 02, 2003, 08:56:50 PM »
I\'m sure they are extremely grateful, in 110 degree weather without eletric most the day. I know I\'d be happy with American\'s.

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« Reply #8 on: August 03, 2003, 03:19:57 AM »
I\'d rather have no electricity than no electricity in a cell with my nuts in a vice because I didn\'t agree with the Baath party.
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« Reply #9 on: August 04, 2003, 04:40:47 AM »
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I\'d rather have no electricity than no electricity in a cell with my nuts in a vice because I didn\'t agree with the Baath party.


Yeah your right vid I mean Iraq is such a nice place now.

I mean now you don\'t have to worry about Saddams Secret police dragging you away to be beaten or killed.

Its just a rampant lawlessness & corruption of the country  and the total incompetence that is the American Occupation attempts to “rebuild” the country (r/e steal the oil) ;).


You see…..

Getting thrown in a cell and having 240 volts sent through your nuts by Saddams Secret police DOWN 100%

Being beaten and left for dead by an armed mob because all social amenities and civil structure has crumbled due to the war UP 800 %
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« Reply #10 on: August 04, 2003, 04:42:55 AM »
For all this oil talk, if I don\'t get cheap gas soon I am going to be really pissed at you guys for getting my hopes up.
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« Reply #11 on: August 04, 2003, 04:49:32 AM »
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For all this oil talk, if I don\'t get cheap gas soon I am going to be really pissed at you guys for getting my hopes up.



its ok ACe you can sleep better tonight because all oil pipe lines /buildings and infrastructure was not only treated carefully during the conflict, but extra attempts where made to protect them after the “last bullet” was fired in the “war”.

While on the other hand Hospitals/ water & power plants where left totaly unguarded and resulted in either loss of stores or total loss of property due to damage from looting.    

yup it sure was a Fair and Just war :rolleyes:
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« Reply #12 on: August 04, 2003, 04:51:50 AM »
The war was a success and it\'s going well now. No matter how much you say the opposite it will not be true. Sorry, I don\'t buy it unless I see proof.
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« Reply #13 on: August 04, 2003, 04:52:31 AM »
Oh I forgot this  . . . :rolleyes:
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« Reply #14 on: August 04, 2003, 05:20:41 AM »
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The war was a success and it\'s going well now. No matter how much you say the opposite it will not be true. Sorry, I don\'t buy it unless I see proof.

Going Well ?

53 DEAD US Marines since "victory" was Declared Bush.
Still No WMD found
Rising level of tension in the country
Possible return to Islamic radical fundamentalism
Tony Blair and New Labour future on a knife edge


yeah your right things are going great :rolleyes:
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