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Offline Green Meanie
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« Reply #30 on: October 14, 2003, 08:10:58 AM »
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I only liked the first NFS game but this one has caught my interest somewhat. Hope it turns out good.


Best one so far IMO is the first Hot Pursuit on PSOne, it was seriously good for stats.

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« Reply #31 on: October 14, 2003, 09:56:34 AM »
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We are, thats just the thing that you \'dont seem to get\'. Proof is in the games, and IMO opinion, 4 out of every 5 games that are on both consoles tend to be better on PS2. Now whether this is because of lazy devs, time constraints or the fact that the Xbox is just \'overhyped\', I\'ll let you decide. Alot of people simply assume that the Xbox version of a mutli platform game would be better then the PS2 version simply because its \'more powerful\'.


Sigh. Seems you have a comprehension problem. You\'re just evading the point. Just for the record, I hate having to explain things as if I were speaking to a 5 year old... You said Xbox is more powerful - I pretty much disagree with that. Care to point out how you\'ve reached this conclusion?

The thing I\'m trying to get at, is that a multiplatform game looking better has little to do with which console is more powerful, as they are unoptimized and usually target a specific console (in this case PS2 or Xbox). Optimized games are rarely good for portings, as they are coded to the console\'s strength - that\'s why you will hardly find a game like ZOE2 on Xbox and a Halo 2 on PS2. Given that both consoles have such different strengths, I\'m would like to know from you, how do you quantify each console\'s strengths to reach a conclusion that one is more powerful than the other. Get it?

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« Reply #32 on: October 14, 2003, 10:11:20 AM »
Personally I believe that because XBOX is capable of doing great some particular effects like bump mapping and high ress textures developers are depending a lot on these to make a good looking game.And they get nice results from these easily.They dont go further to manipulate the console\'s capabilities differently.On PS2 because effects have to be programmed through software and PS2 cant handle these specific effects as well as XBOX developers usually have to find other paths and ways to make a game look impressive.
You ve got games for example like ZOE2, SH3, R&C, J&D etc each using different techniques to look impressive.I like that variety.
« Last Edit: October 14, 2003, 10:13:10 AM by Unicron! »

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« Reply #33 on: October 14, 2003, 02:51:50 PM »
Seven, I am so glad your from Switzerland and English isn\'t your first language because something has seriously gone wrong here.

You ask how I came to the conclusion that the Xbox was more powerful? I said Xbox is more powerful \'on paper\', ie specs. You then said that devs dont work \'on paper\'. I then said that the proof is in the games at to which console is \'more powerful\'.

Forget it. I don\'t have comprehension issues, you just need to learn how to communicate. You have to be thick as bricks. You asked me how I find one console more powerful then the other, given they are so different.... read my previous posts... I think the term \'on paper\' is going to keep poping up... Regardless of whether a dev uses ALL the available power on one console, and less on another, it still doesn\'t make the latter console a less powerful system.

BTW those aren\'t PS2 screens.
« Last Edit: October 14, 2003, 02:53:40 PM by ##RaCeR## »

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« Reply #34 on: October 14, 2003, 04:03:24 PM »
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Yeah as if the the quality of graphics depends on how many play a game :rolleyes:

Its not my fault if you havent playied both version or none of them


By "not a good example," I meant not many people can relate to the game.

I didn\'t say anything about graphics being affected.

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« Reply #35 on: October 14, 2003, 05:18:30 PM »
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seven, the proof is in the games, thats why I said \'on paper\'. Sure, Xbox \'on paper\' is more powerful, but take alook at the games....

It was just a statement. You people are so anal. Just because the Xbox is more powerful, doesn\'t necessarily mean the dev\'s are gonna use its extra power. I was also referring to NFSHP2, considering it IS a NFS thread... Play the PS2 and Xbox version and you will know what I mean, PS2 version is incredible compared to the completely flawed Xbox version, both graphically and gameplay wise, yet the Xbox is \'more powerful\'.


Cmon people, why still live in denial all these years?

PC>XBOX>GC>PS2.

Can u name 10 cross platform games that is better on PS2 and worst on XBOX??
Umm...err NFS:HP2....umm errr....ummm....errr....umm....


Can u name 10 cross platform games that is better on PS2 and worst on XBOX??
SC2, BurnOut 2, and just about every other multi platform game on the planet...(i\'m only taking about consoles, PC of course will have the best version 95% of the time).

Don\'t believe me? Just go to gamespot.com and see which version of the game is best.

Most of the time, the XBOX can produce better version even with average port. The only reason NFSl:HP2 was crappy on the XBOX was because it\'s a different developer, but for NFS:Underground, Black Box is the developer for all the versions.

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« Reply #36 on: October 14, 2003, 05:32:52 PM »
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Originally posted by ##RaCeR##
I don\'t have comprehension issues, you just need to learn how to communicate.


:laughing: Im almost compelled to make that my new sig.;)
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I don\'t have comprehension issues, you just need to learn how to communicate.
Yessir massir ima f*** you up reeeeal nice and homely like. uh huh, yessum ; ).
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« Reply #37 on: October 14, 2003, 11:04:36 PM »
##Racer##, lets go through some comprehension lessons:

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Seven, I am so glad your from Switzerland and English isn\'t your first language because something has seriously gone wrong here.


We\'ll get to that later.

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You ask how I came to the conclusion that the Xbox was more powerful?


Correct. To be precise, I was replying to this statement when I asked that:

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I gotta dissagree with the Xbox comment. Most multi platform games are first dev\'d on the PS2 and then ported, and most generally dont take into consideration that Xbox is more powerful on paper... they just slap them together and ship them out.


I then corrected you by saying that such statement are very misleading and not very accurate. You then launched a personal insult by telling me to learn to read (how ironic) and obviously made a big difference by including \'on paper\' which hardly makes a difference in the first place, since I was refering to \'paper-specs\'.

Then you go on off a rant on why multiplatform games usually look better on PS2m which at this point is totally irrelevant to the topic we\'re arguing.

At this point and following my reply, the discussion should have been over. It wasn\'t as you continued with the following:

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seven, the proof is in the games, thats why I said \'on paper\'. Sure, Xbox \'on paper\' is more powerful, but take alook at the games....


So let me get this straight: you are saying that Xbox is more powerful on paper and as evidence, you use the games you just used as proof to show how multiplatform games look better on PS2? Either way, your statement rivals the quality of a 5 year old, so I find such statements about english not being my first language laughable, rather sad actually.

After repeated attempts of asking how you conclude that the Xbox is more powerful, you always bring up the games. This however makes so sense as we are

1.) talking about paper-specs (theoretical max)
2.) games are for one subjective and are limited by the developers programming experties

and thus your answer makes little sense to beginn with, therefore the repeated attempts of asking. If you stay with your answer \'the games\' then I still would like to see how you reach that conclusion that Xbox games look better than the PS2 games. In average? Best vs Best? How do you quantify which console is \'more powerful\' when looking at games? Despite the fact that games are hardly a valid indicator of a console\'s performance.

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Regardless of whether a dev uses ALL the available power on one console, and less on another, it still doesn\'t make the latter console a less powerful system.


Correct. So why are you using games as proof that xbox is more powerfull on paper, when you yourself admit to the fact that games aren\'t necessarely relative to the console\'s performance?

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« Reply #38 on: October 15, 2003, 12:07:38 AM »
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By "not a good example," I meant not many people can relate to the game.

I didn\'t say anything about graphics being affected.


Irrelevant then

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« Reply #39 on: October 15, 2003, 12:34:29 AM »
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##Racer##, lets go through some comprehension lessons:



We\'ll get to that later.



Correct. To be precise, I was replying to this statement when I asked that:



I then corrected you by saying that such statement are very misleading and not very accurate. You then launched a personal insult by telling me to learn to read (how ironic) and obviously made a big difference by including \'on paper\' which hardly makes a difference in the first place, since I was refering to \'paper-specs\'.

Then you go on off a rant on why multiplatform games usually look better on PS2m which at this point is totally irrelevant to the topic we\'re arguing.

At this point and following my reply, the discussion should have been over. It wasn\'t as you continued with the following:



So let me get this straight: you are saying that Xbox is more powerful on paper and as evidence, you use the games you just used as proof to show how multiplatform games look better on PS2? Either way, your statement rivals the quality of a 5 year old, so I find such statements about english not being my first language laughable, rather sad actually.

After repeated attempts of asking how you conclude that the Xbox is more powerful, you always bring up the games. This however makes so sense as we are

1.) talking about paper-specs (theoretical max)
2.) games are for one subjective and are limited by the developers programming experties

and thus your answer makes little sense to beginn with, therefore the repeated attempts of asking. If you stay with your answer \'the games\' then I still would like to see how you reach that conclusion that Xbox games look better than the PS2 games. In average? Best vs Best? How do you quantify which console is \'more powerful\' when looking at games? Despite the fact that games are hardly a valid indicator of a console\'s performance.



Correct. So why are you using games as proof that xbox is more powerfull on paper, when you yourself admit to the fact that games aren\'t necessarely relative to the console\'s performance?


I don\'t think you\'re getting his point....:rolleyes:
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« Reply #40 on: October 15, 2003, 01:11:50 AM »
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I don\'t think you\'re getting his point....


You tell me... what was his point?

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« Reply #41 on: October 15, 2003, 04:06:10 AM »
^^

Your joking right?

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« Reply #42 on: October 15, 2003, 04:40:18 AM »
Nope. Did you even have one, besides the point about multiplatform games and NFS which I didn\'t even argue?

Incase you still didn\'t get it, I merely disagreed with a sentence in your first post that got this started. I even highlighted it in my last post above. Seeing that we\'ve been wandering in circles though, I\'m not sure if I am keen on further explenation.

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« Reply #43 on: October 15, 2003, 05:23:12 AM »
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politiepet:



You tell me... what was his point?



He\'s not even trying to prove that xbox is more powerful on paper!
xbox being more powerful on paper is a fact (if you disagree on that, there really is no point in arguing with you)

what he was trying to prove is that while xbox is more powerful on paper, the games prove that that is irrelevant, because the ports don\'t show of this superior power....
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i hope they all get aids and die they should bnt tbbe having sezx with just anyone they should be in love if theay are foing to have sex not just to make money I htink its wrong for them to just have sexzx for the fun of it specially when some of the performancs are married, its just wrong. tey are givng out deaseases to anyone and its just not right i tell you i think its really really wrong specially when tey have sex i dot whach porno though so im not sure what they do i dont theink theyr realy hjave sex its all just pretendnig but you never no what they do its just wrong speciallly when they dont even love each other its wrong i ell you in tsi just wrong. wtings owting wtrong wtongs wtongs. i dont like it. prlease explaions.

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« Reply #44 on: October 15, 2003, 11:49:59 AM »
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I know the PS2 can do some lovely graphics but these look enhanced by someone who\'s never heard of proof-reading.


Find some videos of the game. It really does look this good, and even better in motion.

 

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