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« on: October 16, 2003, 03:42:25 AM »
I read a very disturbing article this morning.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A32173-2003Oct15.html

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« Reply #1 on: October 16, 2003, 05:53:56 AM »
The FCC is in the media conglomerates\' pocket.  That was proven with the absurd rules changes they approved regarding media ownership recently.
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« Reply #2 on: October 16, 2003, 08:34:40 AM »
If anyone tries to force this on the whole population, then north america will go the way of europe/asia.... and people will find a way around it before they just give in.
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« Reply #3 on: October 16, 2003, 09:47:00 AM »
people always gotta find something to bitch about

and i like the whole forcing people to buy something - isnt that illegal somehow

idk but i dont understand why they think this will change anything
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« Reply #4 on: October 16, 2003, 11:26:17 AM »
it come up i had to do some q o read that link, is that normal??? can someone cut and paste the article
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« Reply #5 on: October 16, 2003, 11:33:09 AM »
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FCC Targets Copying of Digital TV
Hollywood Backs Rule That May Irk Viewers


By Jonathan Krim
Washington Post Staff Writer
Thursday, October 16, 2003; Page E01

The federal government is preparing for the first time to require that personal computers and other consumer electronics devices contain technology to help block Internet piracy of digital entertainment.

A rule being considered by the Federal Communications Commission is one of a series of proposals pushed by the entertainment industry to help thwart copying and online trading of movies and television shows that increasingly are being broadcast in digital form with high-quality picture and sound.

But the new rule also would force consumers to purchase new equipment if they wanted to record enhanced digital-quality television programs and replay them on other machines.

Opponents of the proposed rule, including many technology companies and consumer groups, say it won\'t work. They are especially concerned that the plan might lead to government regulation of how personal computers and other devices are built, particularly if hackers crack the system and further changes are deemed necessary.

Officials at the FCC, who spoke on the condition of anonymity, said they expect the agency to settle on details of the "broadcast flag" rule by the end of the month. The broadcast flag takes its name from the bit of computer code that would be embedded in digital television signals and would be read by "compliant" devices such as a television set or a digital video recorder.

The rule would not affect consumers who record shows the old-fashioned way, with VCRs. Nor would it affect programming received on a cable or satellite system, in part because consumers pay for that content.

But the entertainment industry does not want digitally enhanced "high-value" entertainment sent free over the air to be easily copied and distributed on the Internet.

FCC officials said they expect the final rule to enable competition among different means of deploying the flag system to protect broadcasts, rather than the government anointing one in particular.

Unlike with recent FCC decisions on high-speed Internet access and media consolidation that have deeply split the five-member commission, none of the three Republicans and two Democrats has led a public campaign against the broadcast flag.

"I\'m optimistic we\'ll have a clean majority," said one senior agency official. "The commission has acted in the area of digital television in a very bipartisan fashion."

Promoting digital programming, especially high-definition television, on regular broadcast channels has been a goal of the FCC since the Clinton administration.

Regulators have long worried that if enhanced digital programming is primarily offered on for-pay cable and satellite systems -- which scramble their signals -- free "over-the-air" television could wither and die.

So the FCC granted broadcasters additional spectrum to provide enhanced digital signals, and set quotas for how much programming they must offer, although those quotas have mostly gone unfilled.

Now the agency is addressing how programming can be protected so that it cannot be easily copied and sent around the Internet, undermining the lucrative aftermarket for videos and television syndication.

That puts the FCC in the middle of one of the most contentious issues of the computer age: how to protect against unauthorized use of digital entertainment when part of its appeal is the increased ability to manipulate it, customize it and transfer it to different locations.

In theory, the broadcast flag system would thwart Internet distribution by preventing computers from copying the files in a way that would allow them to be sent to others.

Critics point out that the system could be easily circumvented. It would still allow recording by non-digital devices, such as VCRs, though when replayed the files would not have the enhanced digital qualities.

With the use of inexpensive equipment those programs can be "re-digitized" and sent around the Internet just as music and other video programming is today.

And, opponents argue, the proposed system would require every device used by a consumer who wants to watch digital programming to recognize the flag. Thus, a DVD recorded on a compliant recorder, connected to a compliant television set in a family room, could not be viewed in an office, den or bedroom unless devices there also were compliant.

That means buying new equipment. Critics say that in addition to forcing consumers to shoulder the cost of protecting one industry\'s products, the flag system undermines a consumer\'s right to "fair use" of copyrighted works regardless of appliance or location.

The system "does not allow a consumer to transmit from his own home to his office," said Lawrence Sidman, a lawyer for Royal Philips Electronics NV. "That is established consumer fair use."

But the major lobbying group for device makers, the Consumer Electronics Association, switched from early opposition to neutrality, saying its members are split.

Of greatest concern to some opponents, including major technology companies such as Microsoft Corp., is that device makers, tech firms and the entertainment industry could not agree on the technology that would be used in devices to recognize the flag and act accordingly.

Instead, the FCC has been working from a proposed rule drafted by the Motion Picture Association of America, which gives the moviemakers a strong hand in evaluating which technologies to use.

The MPAA agrees that the system only begins to attack the piracy problem. Making analog copies is another huge problem that the industry wants to prevent through legislation or regulation.

But the broadcast flag "will still diminish the redistribution of digital broadcast content on the Internet," said Fritz E. Attaway, senior vice president of the MPAA.

Attaway argued that on the issue of fair use, moving to a broadcast flag system is not much different from what consumers face today if they want to switch from analog VHS tapes to digital video discs: They need new equipment.

And despite a lack of industry consensus, the MPAA does not want to wait until it must deal with the volume of piracy that plagues the music industry.

A senior FCC official said the agency would not adopt the rule as written by the MPAA.

"We are aware of the dangers of letting any one industry segment control innovation in this area," the official said.

Another FCC staff member, noting the agency\'s general reluctance to mandate the use of particular technologies, said that "everyone is kind of holding their nose on this one" but the rule will pass unless it would give too much control to the entertainment industry.


Why are they so woried about people copying TV shows?  I could see the problems with series like Sopranos that have an expensive DVD catalog but shows such as Conan & Letterman need to be traded.
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« Reply #6 on: October 16, 2003, 12:43:58 PM »
I feel the same way with those types of shows.  The same with the Daily Show and others who have new content based on current events where DVD sales would be rather pointless.  This makes no sense in terms of digital recordings of television shows.
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« Reply #7 on: October 16, 2003, 03:59:16 PM »
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Why are they so woried about people copying TV shows?


:laughing: I use to do this all the time, I remember when I was little I recorded "The Princess Bride" a million and one times. :p That is a good ****ing movie.
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« Reply #8 on: October 16, 2003, 07:04:55 PM »
The worst part is they NEVER learn their damn lessons.

Some flag encoded in the body of a digital movie file?  Excuse me?  How long would it take techhies to remove the flag, or re-digitize the high quality broadcast?  

The answer in any event is not very long.
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« Reply #9 on: October 16, 2003, 07:14:11 PM »
People are already able to record broadcast HDTV perfectly.  Cable is next on the list. ;)

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