~ Official NFL 2003-2004 Thread ~ Playoffs Baby!!

I\'m gonna say this right now.

John Fox > Bill Parcells

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Originally posted by SwifDi
I can\'t really complain about Dennis Erickson this year... He should have straigtened out that kicker situation a LONG time ago...

I want Terrell Owens to go.

Brandon Lloyd is the next big thing. Everyone watch and see.

How about if the two bays trade Owens for Johnson...  Damn, that would be like trading a pile of shit for a pile of crap.

John Fox > Bill Parcells

Why\'s that? Parcells will go down along with the likes of Tom Landry and Lambardi as a coaching legend.

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I\'d like to see the Colt\'s go all the way - don\'t have to win, but just go all the way. Will they? It depends if their defense shows up, because if they play like they did last weekend, they\'ll be eliminated pretty quick.

Second choice is the Packers.

Belicheck > Fox (defense vs. defense)

Originally posted by The Hurricane
Belicheck > Fox (defense vs. defense)

No.

The Pats talent wise >>>>>>> The Panthers

Fox took an absolutely pitiful team and in two years has turned them completely around to win a normally tough division with minimal roster changes.  The Cowboys have more talent.  Every division winner in football has a lot more talent.  Fox doesn\'t have the impressive resume yet because this is only year 2 as a head coach for him.   But as the Giants D Coordinator, he lead a defense that was among the best in the league ever year.  When he left, the defense immediately got worse with the same players.  It\'s very noticable.  He took the panthers, a team with NOTHING, and he built them completely in his image.  A defensive team with a strong running game.  And who has he done it with?  Davis was an outcast that was under performing every year until this one.  They have no big name players.  The Pats have a ton of big name players.  The Cowboys have big names on defense and one of the best WR groups in football.  Fox just does more with less.  And in a few years when he has players he has chosen in the system more, they\'ll be even better.

Yes, Parcells is one of the best coaches of all time.  Hell, most of what he\'s done has been with my teams, I\'d know.  But this year I think John Fox has done a better job.

TALENT... excuse me???

I believe it was the Patriots who were doomed by injuries, starting 42 different players throughout the year.  The big off-season acquisition of Roosevelt Colvin negated by an injury in week one...  at any given point Ted Washington, Ted Johnson, and Ty Law were injured, all at the same time at one point.

The pats top 3 recievers were all injured around week 10... but they won anyway.  I can\'t think of a team that used more rookies than the pats this year.  You would think Bethel Johnson is a vet, because he puts up amazing stats, but he\'s only a rookie.

It is true that NOW the Patriots are mostly healed, they have some of the best talent, but none that could match Indy or St. Louis.  However, there was a point in the season where they\'re talent was no better than Houston\'s.  Don\'t give me crap about talent, Belicheck is a GREAT coach.  Think of the Denver game, the Indy game, the dismantling of the Chad Pennington...  Belicheck comes up with some of the best defensive schemes... but then again Romeo Crennel deserves a lot of credit too since he coordinates the defense.

One more thing, the Pats DO NOT, I repeat, DO NOT have a lot of big name players.  Only two Pats are going to the Pro Bowl.  Many no-name players emerged for the pats this year, Daniel Grahm, Bethel Johnson, Tedy Bruschi, Kevin Faulk...  The pats big name reciever Troy Brown was sidelined for a decent portion of the season, and has not been the same since.

Belicheck did quite a lot with the cards he was dealt.  John Fox did not have to deal with the overwhelming injuries Belicheck was handed.

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Bah. Who cares about the Pats? It simply is not fashionable to route for them!

I still maintain that the Colts would be the idea win for this Superbowl. That or the Packers and let Farve retire after the Bowl.

Who is the dead man who wants to say that Favre is better than Montana?

The Pats roster has a lot more talent than the Panthers, to the point where it isn\'t even close.  One constant throughout the season, you had the 3rd place person in the MVP vote running your offense in Tom Brady.  You don\'t have more big name players than the Rams or the Colts or a team like that, this is true.  But you do have more than the Panthers.  The only person on that team you could consider a big name player is Davis, and he earned a big part of that name recognition this year under Fox.  And even with those injuries I\'d dare say your team had more talent on the field on average throughout the season than the Panthers fielded.

The fact is that injuries or not, you were supposed to be where you are.  The Panthers weren\'t.

And Di, I\'m not gonna say that quite yet.  But I\'d say he\'s up there.  And if he wins the Super Bowl this year, he sure as hell gets closer.

Lloyd is the m*tha f*ck\'n man, in two years he\'ll make every niner fan forget about Owens.  His catch vs the Hawks was the best catch of the year or maybe second behind Jurivicious\'.

Here\'s what I hope the Niners do in the draft, franchise Owens and trade his ass for a 1st round draft pick .  Trade up with their pick and get Kellen Winslow and trade down with the other pick and get Tommy Harris.  If that happend, I would be a happy boy.

shockwaves, lets not forget about Julius Peppers, probably the second biggest name on the team.  I still firmly believe that the talent was always there in Carolina, just not in the right positions.  They corrected the RB position, and found a QB in Jake Delohme, but other than that, they have the same players they\'ve had in years past, now they\'re winning.

I\'d like to agree with you when you say Tom Brady is a big name player, but the fact is he is very underated, and still lacking in recognition.  In the past three years, he is the winningest active QB, and is undefeated lifetime in OT.  Yet he has not gotten any respect because he is hidden behind Steve McNair and Peyton Manning.

I strongly disagree with you when you say even with the injuries they were still better than the Panthers.  If you consider a team that had to start more rookies than any other team this season better than the Panthers, who are built mainly on veteran players, that is sad.  

The Patriots success relies totally on the shoulders of their coach, he is my NFL Coach of the year.

Talent does not directly translate into success.  The thing is, when people look at the Panthers I think they see a team that doesn\'t have the talent to win the Super Bowl, and I think that\'s true.  As far as pure talent, of the 4 teams in their division, I\'d say they rank 2nd in defense and 4th in offense out of 4 teams.  No one says the same thing when they look at the Patriots.  The fact is, they had a lot of injury problems, but even when they had to start rookies and they had to play backups, they had a ton of talent to surround those players with.  

As for the Panthers, yes, Julius Peppers is very talented.  Jake Delohme is not.  Delohme is a care taker type QB.  He\'s there to not make mistakes and watch over the offense...not screw things up for the running game and the defense.  

And sure the Panthers have a lot of Vets.  A lot of those same exact vets were on a team that went 1-15 two years ago before Fox arrived.  This team went from 1-15 to 7-9 to 11-5 under Fox.  Two years ago the Pats were world champs and the Panthers were the worst team in the league, and a lot of both of those teams remains today.  So yeah, I\'d say John Fox has done more with less.  Consider that at the start of the year ESPN picked the Pats as the 6th best team in the NFL...best in their division, and the Panthers as the 22nd best, last in their division, and I\'d say it\'s pretty clear that Fox has done a lot more all things considered.

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all i know is that dallas betta whoop that a$$ tonight. i have a feeling they are going to choke. damn that\'s my team but they seem to never show up for big games. oh well if they lose i won\'t be too dissappointed,..they went farther than i expected.

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Well...Mcnair has two interceptions..Ed George is out of the game....Not looking good for the Titans.