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Offline videoholic

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« on: January 05, 2004, 07:31:01 AM »
I meant to ask your thoughts on this.  When watching ROTK, on some of the wide landscape shots, as the shot panned it seemed jerky.  This I notice in a lot of movies, but I really noticed it in this movie.

Is this a limitation of only running at 24fps?  Is there any reason why film is still running at 24fps?  Am I just a whacko?:stick:











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« Reply #1 on: January 05, 2004, 07:39:28 AM »
You should be able to answer this! You\'re in the film/broadcast industry! You sure you\'re qualified to keep yer position? I\'m gonna lay you off if you don\'t improve! :mad:
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« Reply #2 on: January 05, 2004, 07:43:20 AM »
I\'m in video.   29.97 fps..  We own film and their measily 24fps..  Doubling every 3rd frams.  Bah..  I spit on them..
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« Reply #3 on: January 05, 2004, 07:58:07 AM »
I dunno... but I also noticed it. Why don\'t they film on digital? Episode 2 has nice colours, neat image, very sharp... is it so expensive?
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« Reply #4 on: January 05, 2004, 08:05:17 AM »
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I dunno... but I also noticed it. Why don\'t they film on digital? Episode 2 has nice colours, neat image, very sharp... is it so expensive?


There are certain things you can do with film that is more difficult to do in digital. The show that had this juxtaposition interviewed a couple of directors who\'ve worked in both format.
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« Reply #5 on: January 05, 2004, 08:29:57 AM »
This is not becoming a factor though very quickly..  They are shooting many TV shows now with HD cameras.  THey are just shooting them at 24fps..  THey have cameras now that can burn tape at amazing speeds giving slow mo right in the can.  Freaking amazing stuff.
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« Reply #6 on: January 05, 2004, 08:36:22 AM »
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This is not becoming a factor though very quickly..  They are shooting many TV shows now with HD cameras.  THey are just shooting them at 24fps..  THey have cameras now that can burn tape at amazing speeds giving slow mo right in the can.  Freaking amazing stuff.


but they\'re analog or digital cameras? I mean, standard tv shows such as series are filmed in digital?
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« Reply #7 on: January 05, 2004, 08:40:02 AM »
Lots of shows now are done in digital format.  They are running the cameras at 24fps which give them that feel that film gives them.

When you are watching a TV show in HD it doesn\'t give you that window effect like watching a live football game (Dame football this weekend was awesome)...  It looks more like watching a film.
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« Reply #8 on: January 05, 2004, 08:48:27 AM »
you mean that flashing effect?
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« Reply #9 on: January 05, 2004, 08:53:26 AM »
It\'s kind of a jumpy feel.  Not a smooth pan.  Seems to me that it\'s just not enough frames per second to make such a wide pan.

I notice this all the time.  It\'s not just LOTR..
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« Reply #10 on: January 05, 2004, 11:15:56 AM »
It\'s unfortunately more a factor of the projector than the soruce material.  The projector tries to compensate by flashing each frame twice, meaning the screen sees 48fps.  This is supposed to reduce the perceived film flicker, but it\'s not a perfect solution.

Digital projectors help in this situation by throwing a continuous beam of light at the screen, elimnating the flicker caused by moving physical film between the light and the lens.  I saw my first flick in Cinema DLP (ROTK) last weekend and it was grrrrreat!!  I kept telling my friends how nice it looked but they didn\'t really notice a difference. :nerd:  Taking them back to my ghetto theater and they should see it.

http://www.dlp.com/dlp_cinema/dlp_cinema_digital_cinema_101.asp
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« Reply #11 on: January 05, 2004, 12:54:18 PM »
Email Panavison and ask them.
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« Reply #12 on: January 05, 2004, 02:32:13 PM »
Umm, isn\'t HD broadcast run faster than 24 frames per second?

I believe it runs at 60 frames per second progressively in 1280 x 720p resolution with 4:2:0 Y:U:V sampling (color sampling equivalent to 12 bits RGB bandwidth).

Actually there are two popular HD formats for now:

1080i and 720p.  Both have a faster frame rate than 24fps.

1920 x 1080i is interlaced and runs at 60 fields or 30 frames per second.

Only movie runs in 24 fps usually film based like 35mm.  Why?  Well of course, to cut cost.  To think movie studios spending multi million dollars on a movie, they would have speed up the camera speed to 30fps or higher.  But, they still use 24 frames per second and spend the money elsewhere like to themselves or to the filthy rich casts.
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« Reply #13 on: January 05, 2004, 02:51:27 PM »
Yeah, but it\'s 60 fields per second.  Not frames.  A frame is composed of 2 fields.

Progressive is different though since the whole screen is drawn each time.

http://www.cybercollege.com/filmtap.htm

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« Reply #14 on: January 05, 2004, 02:54:14 PM »
^^^What did I say?  I said 1080i is 60 fields and 720p is 60 frames per second.  Geez.
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