Your favorite music SUCKS!!!

Well, like ViperFujax, I pretty much like all Slipknot\'s material. But I also like alot of VERY different styles of music like Kings of Convenience\'s timid folkmusic.

Anyway, labeling Slipknot as "Nu-metal" is just wrong imo. The way ppl look at Slipknot also depends very much on what kind of genre viewpoint you yourself have.

The song Pulse of the Maggots is very cool imo. I hear alot of influence from Shawn Crahan\'s , To my Surprise in there. The guy is indeed insane, but I think his \'vision\' on how he sees his band\'s music evolve is very good ; alot of Techno, drum n bass in there. Pulse starts with some bomb alarm sample and then Craig\'s ( # 5 )samples ramp it up (crowd noise sample ? ) and immediately after that you can hear Sid\'s ( # 0 ) DJ techno stuff kick in. It reminds me a bit of a power generator reaching hyperspeed.  Then there\'s also the "Do you understand" in the song and it sounds pure To my Surprise. Me getting the Subliminal Verses album is already much a fact. :thepimp:

If you don\'t think Slipknot is Nu-Metal, where would you classify them?

^ I really wouldn\'t know. I just know that these words and descriptions come to mind when you say \'Slipknot\' :

* groovy, funky rythms ; alot becuz of Chris & Joey\'s drumming

*the true 1/4th element of HipHop (NOT RAP) ; DJ Sid\'s scratches.
He\'s great. If you DO put Slipknot into the so called Nu Metal genre (Dj Lethal of Limp Bizkit, Joe Hahn of LP etc. ), then imo Sid\'s the only one getting it right, he tops them all. Totally integral to the layers of Slipknot\'s music, not as some afterthought or gadget element like other bands. Sid\'s also very versatile ; he can do hiphop scratching, drum n bass and jungle ALL equally very well.

* upbeat, uplifting and fun spirit ; ppl say they only bring negativity into the world but their music always brings a happy smile to my face. It\'s indeed like the effect of the song "I\'m walking on sunshine".

* Slipknot\'s lyrics ; ppl dwell on it too much. I like to interprete them the way i like it ; what i get out of that is a  and some very fine sunshine in my day.

* The fact that alot off ppl put so much effort into putting them down or mocking them as fake says it all imo.

That\'s also the spirit of this thread imo ; just like the music you like and get your fun out of it. I just enjoy Slipknot very much and I don\'t force others to like it or to listen to it. Thank the inventor of headphones very much

:thepimp:

I think what you just described is a perfect description of a Nu-Metal band

[Jumpman]

I thought Nu-Metal was basically rap-metal ala Korn?

Heheh, ok, I think I got a good name for a genre which describes Slipknot ;

"Techno Rock n Roll"

Originally posted by Jumpman
I thought Nu-Metal was basically rap-metal ala Korn?

It\'s not strictly rap-metal.  More accurately I\'d call it metal with influences in hip hop or rap, downtuned guitars, and a generally simple music structure.

Originally posted by Knotter8
Heheh, ok, I think I got a good name for a genre which describes Slipknot ;

"Techno Rock n Roll"

Thats stupid.

And i wouldnt say all nu-metal takes off from hip hop or rap. there are a few songs from bands like korn that have no elements of either genre yet still come off as nu-metal. Its pretty difficult to explain but for most of us im guessing, it would be easy to spot nu-metal.

Its more like....for the lack of a better term, "pussy metal," in the fact that its bridging on metal but has many softer and radio catchy melodies. There is a lack of growling found in more traditional metal but its not really Pussy-esque, ( ) but its not as hard as true forms of other metal types.

[Viper_Fujax]

i might be mis-inturpreting but are u saying slipknot is pussy metal? They are put down for not singing by people that dont listen to metal and they are called nu-metal by people who like metal and no slipknot. I guarantee there is not a slipknot fan out there that would say they are nu-metal and slipknots singer isnt a pussy (listen to eyeless..too lazy to name more) Just because they have a dj, that means their rap? stupid IMO cuz like knotter said, he fits in the dj perfectly for slipknot\'s sound. Its not like limp bizkits who makes and extra kind of beat and is prominant in the song, making it more derived from rap than slipknot is.

By using the idea that dj means u derive from rap, does that mean that rappers that have used guitars make it derived from rock?

Originally posted by Viper_Fujax
i might be mis-inturpreting but are u saying slipknot is pussy metal? They are put down for not singing by people that dont listen to metal and they are called nu-metal by people who like metal and no slipknot. I guarantee there is not a slipknot fan out there that would say they are nu-metal and slipknots singer isnt a pussy (listen to eyeless..too lazy to name more) Just because they have a dj, that means their rap? stupid IMO cuz like knotter said, he fits in the dj perfectly for slipknot\'s sound. Its not like limp bizkits who makes and extra kind of beat and is prominant in the song, making it more derived from rap than slipknot is.

By using the idea that dj means u derive from rap, does that mean that rappers that have used guitars make it derived from rock?

I never called them nu-metal. I said nu-metal is like pussy metal. And yes i agree on the whole rap/rock/metal thing. Although ive heard some freakishly good metal with rap/hip hop derivatives.

Originally posted by Viper_Fujax
i might be mis-inturpreting but are u saying slipknot is pussy metal? They are put down for not singing by people that dont listen to metal and they are called nu-metal by people who like metal and no slipknot. I guarantee there is not a slipknot fan out there that would say they are nu-metal and slipknots singer isnt a pussy (listen to eyeless..too lazy to name more) Just because they have a dj, that means their rap? stupid IMO cuz like knotter said, he fits in the dj perfectly for slipknot\'s sound. Its not like limp bizkits who makes and extra kind of beat and is prominant in the song, making it more derived from rap than slipknot is.

By using the idea that dj means u derive from rap, does that mean that rappers that have used guitars make it derived from rock?

First of all, Lord Nicon, you\'re right, Nu-Metal can have influences from other areas.  I was over generalizing.

Viper: Having a DJ doesn\'t mean they are rap.  However, it does point to hip hop influences.  I never said they were rap, just that an element of Nu-Metal is sometimes influences from those areas.  It doesn\'t mean you derived from rap, just that it had some kind of influence.  

And as for the question of whether or not skipknot is pussy metal, it\'s not a question of lyrics or anything, it\'s a question of the composition of the music.  Slipknot\'s general sound is pretty symplistic compared to some other metal, which is why it gets that label.

This is stupid. Going by alot of arguments I see in here, that means Slipknot will never please, nor \'be good enough\' for the
ppl who take an active position to put them down. That is something totally different from ppl who just don\'t care for
Slipknot music.

It\'s polarizing. :o  They say they don\'t, but in the end these ppl
categorize, thus polarize ; putting everything in \'genres\'. It HAS to
fit into their way they see it fit. Slipknot is pretty diverse, it doesn\'t fit into their constrained mindset of PURE genres ; that\'s why they\'ll always be put down by those ppl. It\'s like the psychological effect of \'moving targets\' ; no matter how Slipknot evolve ; it will never please those ppl.

It kind of resembles console fanboy wars. The genre purists who put Slipknot down are imo like console f boys. They take one of Slipknot\'s many musical aspects and make an anology based on that, to say Slipknot is like the genre of music they most despise.
It\'s like Shockwaves does ; saying Sid\'s dj work makes Slipknot = Nu Metal. That is wrong. Alot of ppl don\'t even care to listen to the Knot so they don\'t notice the diverse stuff Sid does for the Slipknot sound. These ppl think he only adds the occasional hiphop scratch. LOL. Over time I discovered alot of different sounds he puts in there, which these ppl did not took care to notice. Same with Craig\'s stuff. Alot of Techno, Drum n Bass and Jungle influences ; it certainly makes Slipknot NOT Nu metal.
There are 9 layers in there. These ppl won\'t notice them. They only judge it by their \'purist\' genre thinking, thus totally missing the point.

Besides, the most simplist of ways is to call Slipknot simplistic.

I don\'t say Slipknot is Nu-Metal based solely on their DJ, I say it based on their overall sound.  And metalheads don\'t hate slipknot because of the category they\'re in or because they are constantly changing or anything.  It\'s because of their overall sound, how they market themselves to the mainstream, just the way they come off overall in the metal scene.  It\'s about the kinds of shows they put on, it\'s about the image they paint for metal to people who don\'t know better, and it\'s about their music, which most metalheads just simply don\'t like.  And yes, before you criticize me saying I don\'t know what I\'m talking about, I have listened to a lot of that band, and I have seen them in concert.  Also, I never said anything about what having a DJ does for the band, you\'re making assumptions there.  I just pointed out that they have one.

And also, having influences in Techno, etc. makes Slipknot more fitting of the Nu-Metal label, not less fitting.  Plus, people don\'t judge Slipknot by their genre.  A lot of people don\'t even know how to correctly classify bands into genres within metal.  But they aren\'t judged by their genre, they are judged by all the factors I listen above that turn metalheads off to them.

[Viper_Fujax]

they have 4 guys who can run around at will (dj, vocals, 2 percussionists). Do u want them to just stand there and headbang? hell no thatd be boring. So they do some crazy stuff for the fans. Its like..being somewhere where people dont like you and then being critisized for how you act and being told "nonnono..metal heads only headbang." They want to be different and believe it or not..they are pretty crazy so they most likely enjoy doing weird stuff on stage (and some of the weird stuff you hear are rumors). They dont care about their image to mainstream, and they dont care about looking like freaks to people who dont like metal. Plus in the end, no matter what its all about the money..this is their job, and iv seen very few guys that like slipknot and want to see them live and just be like a normal metal band.

As for their sound its impossible to argue. We have different views on it. I see their stuff as really heavy, some as fast, some softer like wait and bleed and left behind but their still kick ass songs (minding wait and bleed being murdered by people who dont like slipknot except for that song)

Originally posted by Viper_Fujax
They dont care about their image to mainstream, and they dont care about looking like freaks to people who dont like metal.

I  HIGHLY doubt that they don\'t care about their image.