Prelimary specs for my new system.

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Really depends on what you want to do with them, they can decrease performance on games not encoded for them. So if anyone plans on using them more for gaming then editing.
Sorry, you\'re a clueless moron.  Thats my opinion on Dual Cpu systems.   My next cpu update will most likely be a Athlon64. But i\'ll have to buy a new mobo too, so that will be in awhile. My next update will be a Gfx card.

LIC I don\'t get you. I mean I understand it\'s your money and what not but if ppl are trying to give you sound advice on building a great pc  for a cheaper price I don\'t understand how you can cop an attitude.

If I could save a $1000  and still have a high-end pc I would be totally pleased.

I am going to be building me a customer pc soon and I am gladly going to seek all the help I can.

I mean if you can get a top pc for under 3k why would you not want to do it?

The one area I agree with LIC is the vid card.  Go top of the line.  I did with my last system, and even though it\'s a full generation behind, and almost 1.5 years old, I can still push modern FPS at high resolutions and max details into acceptable framerates.

You absolutely will notice a difference, depending on what kind of gaming you do.

As for the rest, hey man, your money, your system.  For a nice monitor, I got the Samsung syncmaster 192N recently, and I really like it.  I can even play FPS games with it, which was a pleasant surprise (although I have to play everything at 1280x1024 for it to look really good).  For a DVD recorder, well, I don\'t have experience with the other brands, but my Sony has been "ok".  Not great, cause even though it\'s a 4x burner, I had to burn at 2.4 for a long time (untill there was a firmware update).  With the new 8x ones out, I\'m sure they\'re getting more reliable.  Make sure you get one that can do multi-format.

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You can go top of the line without spending to much cash.
Example, When Gf4Ti cards came out. I ended searching for a card that had a wrap around sink, I ended up buying a Gf4ti4400 and overclocked it to ti4600 speeds. Its been over a year now it its still going fine. I saved about 200 bucks by doing that, and i come out even to Ti4600 users.  

The Radeon 9800XT card doesn\'t come out much higher in FPS on a 128meg 9800 card. For the price difference it just isn\'t justified. I would wait for the new series and spend that much cash on one of those cards, or then get a radeon 9800XT when the price drops.

Except you now compare your overclocked Ti4400 to a stock Ti4600.  My 4600 (300 Mhz core, 650 Mhz Memory stock), is overclocked to 320 core, and 700 memory.  It\'s stable there, and I could probably up it even more - although I don\'t need to yet.  Can a 4400 do that?  In three months when I\'m running games that I need to push my card up even higher, it\'ll still work.. and you\'ve reached your limits.

I just disagree with you, that\'s all.

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I\'m sure i can push my card further. Easily, and it still cost me less then the current ti4600 cards at the time.
I don\'t think u understand my point. I wanted a Ti4600 card, not to overclock just at stock speeds. With a little research i found a card that can be pushed more then ANY other brand that was, most likely still is on the market for GF4ti cards.
I got my Ti4600 card and it didn\'t cost me the price of a ti4600 card. I saved dollers for other things.
I\'m comparing a Overclocked Ti4400 card to a STOCK Ti4600 card, I said nothing about overclocking a ti4600 card.
I wouldn\'t pay 200 more dollers then i did to get a ti4600 card. No way would i have payed that much more just to overclock one.

So if your still unsure of my point. I bought a card way cheaper then the ti4600 cards, Yet i wanted Ti4600 stock speeds.   Which i got.

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Sorry, you\'re a clueless moron.

Hello, pot calling kettle black.


Alright - MM or someone, close this thread. I\'ve grown tired of listening to constant rambling of Souly.

And yes, Souly, everyone who runs Dual Opertons on boards like Modthebox.com / Overclockerscafe.com  / and various other reliable PC sites are "clueless morons".

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they are if they think it gives full improved performance on  games not designed for them.    Most will come out slightly ahead, even or even less.
Please don\'t try to take my post out of context.


ps. Most likely those people at the those forums would agree with me. Why, because they\'re the facts. Next time don\'t ask for opinions if you don\'t want to hear them.

SOUL out of curiosity. Would you please list your qualifications?

Edit: I only ask because in my experience some older poorly written apps will have some issues with multi-procs. Then again they tend to max out a single. Your OS is going to use both procs assuming the right hal is loaded. That will in turn give you a marginal increase in speed on games or apps that can use only one proc. If by some chance a game or app uses both processors. Say ID games. Then you will see quite a boost. Not to mention any app that can take advantage of it. Overall it is a mute point. I myself will not run anything other than multi, and that is for a reason. It works, and works well.

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3 years as a pc technician wooo.   With that comes building systems of every type and benchmarking them.. (had to do something on those boring days)   Currently i\'m working in a electronics company.

But what qualifications i have doesn\'t matter, I get my facts from people that do have qualifications.. But personally, i think experience is better then anything.  Hell, u need it just to get qualifications on paper.

If you can post whitepapers I would be very interested. I tend not to take forum opinions as gospel.

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If it makes u happy, i\'ll get my bro to post his thoughts on dual cpus and he has his, A+, Cisco Pro Net, MCSE and Computer Science Degree. If it makes you happy to hear the same thing from someone  who has the papers .

Use google man, get the info from people that have the certificates. If its what u need.  
I don\'t need a certificate to do anything with pcs. mm has plenty of certificates and even he said LIC would be wasting cash.
Only certificate i\'m interested in atm is my Advanced Diaploma in Electronics.



You wanna know a little secret. Most of those pc sites have technicians that don\'t have any qualifications..  That doesn\'t mean they don\'t know what they\'re talking about. It simply means that didn\'t do schooling to learn what they know.

SOUL I was not after someone with certs. Sounds like your bro and I are about even. I may even have him beat a bit in the cert dept. I was asking for a simple whitepaper.

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Only thing u could do is use google and search.
For Opteron here
Amd General 64bit here

sorry, miss understood what you were asking.

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Edit: I only ask because in my experience some older poorly written apps will have some issues with multi-procs. Then again they tend to max out a single. Your OS is going to use both procs assuming the right hal is loaded. That will in turn give you a marginal increase in speed on games or apps that can use only one proc. If by some chance a game or app uses both processors. Say ID games. Then you will see quite a boost. Not to mention any app that can take advantage of it. Overall it is a mute point. I myself will not run anything other than multi, and that is for a reason. It works, and works well.

Most programs aren\'t optimised for dual processor.
Dual processors waste time in looking at each other\'s cache for information instead of going to the main ram. This is a good reason why a program written for a single CPU will actually run slower on a dual CPU system.


Servers and a Graphic editing software atm are the main things that take advantage of dual cpus.