Science Is Satanic!!!

Originally posted by Cyrus
All you proved is what I said... We disagree with our government constantly as Americans look at the protest marches starting with nam and going right through to "War on Terorismn". Even though we disagree we still stand behind them because we are American. Your kids, Your parents do stupid shit all the time does that mean you should strap a bomb and blow them up

Thanks for prooving me right about you.As for my parents I wont just tell them I disagree.I ll even tell them directly how much dissappointed or even ashamed for them I might be.I would even dispute till they stop doing stuff. And parents are way above any nation or country or government in my "Respect" book list
Every country is trying to convert our believes so we become controlled subconsiously by patriotism, pride and the likes.
 

I can honestly say that me just saying I\'m American means more than you can possible even fathom.

Stop acting like a nationalistic zealot

Your quote "Man!!You are reducing your country with what you said "

thats the point, I wasnt, as American its generally belived that one can express an Opionion with out it affecting the opion of everyone, therefore my opinon has no bearing on everyone else belives. Hence it is impossible for me to "reduce my country" [/B]

Sorry but you just did.Since people like you are letting things just as they are becuase they have the "American" label.People are made to believe that their opinion is indeed theirs.But is actually controlled from pride, patriotism and the things they were taught since they were kids.And kids cant judge.Their character is formed.If you were adopted by communists from a different nationality when you were a baby you would have approached your country totally differently.


Atleast I ve found Americans that share the same opinion as I and see how much overrated things are presented to them in their own country.

[GmanJoe]

Uni, I\'m not sure what your point is. Americans are highly critical of what the American Gov\'t does. You will find no other people more opinionated about their gov\'t than Americans. Why? Coz we\'re allowed to.

But your compaints about Americans that are sometimes way off base. That\'s why we bitch at you so much. We are not a perfect country. The US is arguably the most powerful and many countries expect a lot from us whenever the crap hits the fan. The thing is, when we do something, it pisses off other countries. So we\'re damned if do and damned if we don\'t.

Anyway....

Heh.I am not refering to all Americans.But specifically about the huge number of Americasn like Cyrus.And in this forum alone many are offended when I say something about the government.Since they disagree with their government as well whats their problem?
In other forums I dont get this attitude.At the end since only Americans that get offended and disagree participate in the convesrsation and there is no other American that does otherwise I give the impression that thats my ultimate opinion as every American.
The reason why your country pisses off other countries its becuase it takes brutal actions and finds excuses that its for the good.Then other nations start to question the real motives since nothing was done for other occasions that truelly needed help and it was cleartly shown that nothing was done since they were no interests.I wouldnt want to refer to examples becuase that would cause unneeded debates

The last parapgraph in my previous post also counts for my country

[GmanJoe]

You only hear the BAD news. Nothing about the aid and other humanitarian relief we send. Has Cyprus ever sent the US aid whenever a tornado hit a small town in our Midwest? Never.

Originally posted by GmanJoe
You only hear the BAD news. Nothing about the aid and other humanitarian relief we send. Has Cyprus ever sent the US aid whenever a tornado hit a small town in our Midwest? Never.

How can Cyprus send help?We are talking about a tiny population of less than a million that doesnt have the ability to aid other countries.
Even if your country does aid (I d like to be informed on this more.Not to proove you wrong but to get informed so I can have a more spherical opinion) other countries the brutal actions that your government takes vanishes all the respect that your country might have gotten otherwise.

[GmanJoe]

Here\'s just two examples.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,106736,00.html

http://www.usaid.gov/our_work/humanitarian_assistance/disaster_assistance/countries/ethiopia/fy2003/Ethiopia_DR_FS17_09-30-2003.pdf

U.S. Government Response

On October 29, 2002, the U.S. Embassy in Addis Ababa declared a disaster in response to the continuing drought situation. Heavy flooding in localized areas from concentrated rains prompted the U.S. Ambassador to Ethiopia Aurelia E. Brazeal to issue a second disaster declaration for floods on May 9, 2003.

On May 9, USAID/OFDA deployed a USAID/DART to enhance the non-food response to the humanitarian crisis in Ethiopia. The USAID/DART continues to conduct field visits in all six of the drought-affected regions and recommend areas requiring humanitarian support.

In FY 2003, USAID/OFDA provided approximately $31.9 million to support emergency water and sanitation, health and nutrition, and agricultural recovery activities in drought-affected areas nationwide.

USAID/OFDA provided approximately $8.5 million to support health and nutrition programs nationwide through implementing partners UNICEF, WFP, Action contre la Faim (ACF), Adventist Development and Relief Agency (ADRA), Concern, GOAL, the International Medical Corps (IMC), Save the Children/USA (SC/USA), and World Vision (WV) to assist more than five million beneficiaries.

USAID/OFDA and USAID/Ethiopia contributed approximately $10.2 million in response to the GFDRE’s
estimated $10 million seed shortfall countrywide. USAID/OFDA provided approximately $6.2 million to its implementing partners CARE, Comitato Internazionale per lo Sviluppo dei Popoli (CISP), Catholic Relief Services (CRS), Food for the Hungry International (FHI), German Agro Action (GAA), Save the Children Fund/United Kingdom (SCF/UK), Oxfam, and WV for emergency seed distributions for approximately 347,790 droughtaffected
households in Afar, Amhara, Oromiya, SNNP, and Somali Regions. USAID/Ethiopia provided $4 million to the GFDRE for the procurement of seeds.

USAID/OFDA provided more than $6.8 million to support water and sanitation programs through the American Red Cross (AmRC), CARE, CISP, Cooperazione Internazionale (COOPI), GAA, the International Rescue Committee (IRC), Merlin, Oxfam, SC/US, and WV that provide potable water for approximately 756,000
beneficiaries in the Afar, Amhara, Oromiya, SNNP, and Tigray Regions.

USAID/OFDA provided approximately $3.15 million to CARE, SCF/UK, WV, and the Ethiopian Orthodox Church (EOC) for cash for relief activities for more than 256,000 beneficiaries in Amhara, Oromiya, and SNNP Regions.

USAID/OFDA also provided: $575,175 to UN OCHA and the U.N. Food and Agricultural Organization (FAO) for coordination of humanitarian assistance activities nationwide; $468,102 to Tufts University for animal health projects in Somali Region; $1,728,708 to SC/US and the DPPC for nationwide rapid response projects and distribution of humanitarian assistance commodities; $778,869 to the International Resources Group (IRG) for humanitarian assessments; and $566,982 to USAID/Ethiopia and for administrative support.

In response to the May floods in southern Ethiopia, USAID/OFDA provided $110,000 in assistance through the International Committee of the Red Cross (ICRC) for the purchase of water containers, cooking pots, plastic sheeting, and blankets.

thanks

[GmanJoe]

I\'m gonna write to congress and tell them to re-think this since you\'re mean to me.

29 Feb 2004 17:01:36 GMT
US pledges "generous" aid in event of Cyprus deal

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NICOSIA, Feb 29 (Reuters) - The United States will donate "generously" towards Cyprus\'s reunification costs if an accord is reached between its two sides, a U.S. special envoy said on Sunday.

Greek and Turkish Cypriots are working under a tight United Nations deadline to unite the ethnically-divided island before it joins the European Union on May 1.

"I think you will find that the U.S. will approach it very generously as it has in terms of providing resources to Cyprus for many, many years," said Thomas Weston, the State Department\'s special co-ordinator for Cyprus.

A donor\'s conference for Cyprus is scheduled on April 15, six days before islanders vote on the U.N.\'s proposal for uniting the island under a loose power-sharing federation.

Negotiations between Greek Cypriot leader Tassos Papadopoulos and Turkish Cypriot leader Rauf Denktash started in Nicosia on February 19, but neither side has reported tangible progress to date.

Weston is to have separate meetings with the two leaders and U.N. Under-Secretary-General for Political Affairs Kieran Prendergast, an old hand on Cyprus, was also expected on the island this week.

The east Mediterranean island was divided in a Turkish invasion in 1974 after a brief Greek-inspired coup.

Without a deal, only the Greek Cypriot south, whose government is internationally recognised, will join the EU. Only Turkey recognises the Turkish Cypriot north.

Some estimates put the cost of reunification at around 16.5 billion pounds ($34.9 billion).


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[GmanJoe]

OH MY LORD! What is the US thinking? Aid to CYPRUS????

http://www.ntvmsnbc.com/news/259992.asp?cp1=1

$250 million? For that piece of rock, we should just buy it for a mere $500!

There is misinformation in the article regarding the current situation of the Cypriot matter btw.Or actually lack of information

[GmanJoe]

Originally posted by Unicron!
There is misinformation in the article regarding the current situation of the Cypriot matter btw.Or actually lack of information

I checked some other links and the ones FROM Cyprus say almost the same thing.

Can you give me a link?
Because I ve seen interviews and conversations regarding the Anan plan and the Greek Cyprus government according to the plan must reimburse the Turkish Cypriot site.As for Greek Cypriots they will get their lost proberty in the form of promissory note or security notes that can be redeemed in a decade or 2 and there is a chance that this might not happen even in 20 years.The value of these notes are at the value the proberty were in 1974 not the current worth which is higher.They worth nothing with other words
Which is totally unfair for the Greek Cypriots.The Greek Cypriot government will pay for the Greek Cypriots and for the Turksih Cypriots.Turkey that made the invasion is left out despite that they are the ones that should pay


EDIT:I get the impression that this aid if its true or if thats all the adequacy of the information of that article that it is an effrot to persuade the Greek Cypriots to accept the plan.There seems to be a desperation to make a plan for some "unknown"reason to be accepted in this period of time.
There have been 4 plans already put on the table in a few months that consist of thousand of pages each that need study.But still they wait for an answer in this period of time.The plan needs lots of time to be studied.

Originally posted by Unicron!
How can Cyprus send help?We are talking about a tiny population of less than a million that doesnt have the ability to aid other countries.
Even if your country does aid (I d like to be informed on this more.Not to proove you wrong but to get informed so I can have a more spherical opinion) other countries the brutal actions that your government takes vanishes all the respect that your country might have gotten otherwise.

How about Saddam\'s brutality towards other nations and Iraqis?

Except he didn\'t provide any aid other than to homicide bomber\'s families...

Originally posted by Ashford
How about Saddam\'s brutality towards other nations and Iraqis?

Except he didn\'t provide any aid other than to homicide bomber\'s families...

debatable.Thats only a small portion of the catch of the whole story.But lets not start unneeded debates

(Did you know that Hitler was secretely a gay?)

Uh, thats not proven.