PETA Is Full Of Crap!

*grabs rifle*


Anybody up for deer jerky?


Jesus Unicron! you act as if the other food you eat isn\'t being slaughtered.  I\'m with blade.  If the deer is used the what\'s the harm?  It\'s no different than going and buying a hamburger.  Only instead of personally killing the animal, you\'re paying someone else to do it.

Originally posted by Phil
*grabs rifle*


Anybody up for deer jerky?


Jesus Unicron! you act as if the other food you eat isn\'t being slaughtered.  I\'m with blade.  If the deer is used the what\'s the harm?  It\'s no different than going and buying a hamburger.  Only instead of personally killing the animal, you\'re paying someone else to do it.

Why slaughter specifically a deer?It wont reduce the number of animals that are being slaughtered to make you a burger or other producst you get in the market.The animals that are being kept in cells and cages are there for a reason.The food in the fridges are there for a reason.
People tend to hunt and use the animal as an excuse to hunt.

edit:Btw:The deer isnt mass produced to serve our needs.Unlike the other animals we eat

If deer are endangered or close to it, then it should be illegal to hunt them.

Otherwise, IMO, it\'s fair game considering all of the other animals we use. Why should deer be exempt?

If you kill a deer and intend to eat it, I don\'t see the issue here.

Hunt them till they become an endagered species just like what happened with the Cyprus deer.It serves no need to hunt it.There are tons of other ways to get food or clothes.Why hunt the deer down?What need does it satisfy since you can eat so many other animals that are being mass produced for the same purpose?

You know there are laws in place so that deer don\'t become endangered right?

[SirMystiq]

Originally posted by Blade
If deer are endangered or close to it, then it should be illegal to hunt them.

Otherwise, IMO, it\'s fair game considering all of the other animals we use. Why should deer be exempt?

If you kill a deer and intend to eat it, I don\'t see the issue here.

Ok, do you eat the deer? Do you use it\'s skin as a coat? Truth is most hunters don\'t. They keep the skin or deer head a "trophy" of their triumph of murdering an animal. You can pretty much eat anything but does that mean we should go out and hunt them?
If deer is such a good food, why don\'t they sell "deer" burgers?

Fact is hunting is nothing more than recreation, unless you have an animalistic hunger for deer meat they shouln\'t be killed for something as stupid as entertainment.

I love chicken and hamburgers but I\'ve looked up on how they are raised and eated and it\'s pretty disgusting what those animals have to go through.

I think it is sickening and low-life when people use their pets as rags. People that fight them. People that kick them because they are just "animals". People who feel that animals are inferior to us because they are "just animals" If a human needs to harm another creature in order to feel superior, or have a sense of self-worth, that human has some problems and just maybe the animal is themselves.

:rolleyes:

I know you are liberal but man, lay off.  I think PETA is getting to you.  There hasn\'t been a time in human history in which we didn\'t hunt.  It\'s part of our history of survival.  Hell some people could easily argue that it helps retrace ourselves back to our very human essence.  It\'s not a superiority issue.  Unless of course you have some past history with this that you would like to discuss that could bring light into what you are talking about.

Besides, I welcome hunters who actually help the wild by curbing overpopulation.  You did know they do that right?  Where did you get the fact that most hunters don\'t use the skins or eat the meat?  You have support for that statement right?  Get serious when you actually have facts as to why you support what you believe in.  All you\'ve stated are observations of your girlfriend\'s retarded friends.

[clips]

Originally posted by SwifDi
Nobody... but since it\'s been brought up I must say nothing is cooler than a bullfight.

I saw many when I visited my family (mom\'s side) in La Linea, Spain, next to Gibraltar, and bullfighting was such an awesome experience. The culture, history, and glory of it all, really makes it that way.

don\'t they actually kill the bull in bullfights?

Yes. That is after they stab it four or five times with "pinchitos". Oh, and thats not counting the times the bullfighter screws up and accidentally stabs it to high on the neck, in which they pull the sword back out, and try again.

Such an awesome sport.

And before my arrogance gets to you, let me remind you that this is similiar to another form of hunting where the animal gets a good shot at taking out his hunter... Many bulls have killed the bullfighters, or at least injured them severely.

Originally posted by Phil
You know there are laws in place so that deer don\'t become endangered right?

I wouldnt base any hopes on law.The law comes to the scene when its too late as usual.

The law doesnt do much for the amazon either and lots of animals get extinct every year.That alone tells me that the law doesnt care as much.

Even if you are right, we as humans should be as less greedy as we can instead of calming ourselves with excuses and kill animals to serve luxury needs and prestige.
We tend to find excuses (like the law doesnt say anything against it) instead of judging ourselves whats right or wrong.If the law didnt give a damn about hunting control I bet the whole forest would have been full of hunters spreading death since they would have calmed the consiousness down with the excuse that "the law sais nothing about it".

Means of survival have changed.Factories, production, markets etc exist for a reason.This is a world of economy which has to do with "satisfying the masses with the limited resources that we have".We dont need to hunt to survive.And individual hunting is no part of the economy.And neither satisfies a need you cant satisfy otherwise other than the sense of luxury.

Originally posted by SwifDi
Yes. That is after they stab it four or five times with "pinchitos". Oh, and thats not counting the times the bullfighter screws up and accidentally stabs it to high on the neck, in which they pull the sword back out, and try again.

Such an awesome sport.

And before my arrogance gets to you, let me remind you that this is similiar to another form of hunting where the animal gets a good shot at taking out his hunter... Many bulls have killed the bullfighters, or at least injured them severely.

Thats inhumane

Next time I d like to see helpless humans without any form of defense in a coliseum filled with hungry lions.And only the lions would get a medical treatment.That would be f*cking awesome as well.Why not?Sounds as fair as bullfighting.

or strap horns on the bull fighter.

In something that is a sport, how can it be that one side wins 99% of the time?  I figure even it out so that it\'s 50/50.

Bah.The human most of the times win.And he survives most of the times unlik the bull that has to suffer a slow painfull death

I wonder what happens to the bull even if the human happens to lose now that I think of it.

[SirMystiq]

Originally posted by Phil
:rolleyes:

I know you are liberal but man, lay off.  I think PETA is getting to you.  There hasn\'t been a time in human history in which we didn\'t hunt.  It\'s part of our history of survival.  Hell some people could easily argue that it helps retrace ourselves back to our very human essence.  It\'s not a superiority issue.  Unless of course you have some past history with this that you would like to discuss that could bring light into what you are talking about.

Besides, I welcome hunters who actually help the wild by curbing overpopulation.  You did know they do that right?  Where did you get the fact that most hunters don\'t use the skins or eat the meat?  You have support for that statement right?  Get serious when you actually have facts as to why you support what you believe in.  All you\'ve stated are observations of your girlfriend\'s retarded friends.

That is all history. We don\'t "hunt for survival" anymore. We hunt for "sport". Killing an animal is a "sport" Do we really need to kill animals for "sport" in order to survive. I think that is is a superiority issue. If it wasn\'t, then what do you have to proof by killing a deer or another animal? What do you have to proof by showing off how you shot the animal in the head four times? What is the purpose of hunting for sport?
I never argued about hunting for survival. As animals, we humans do have those insticts to hunt, but tell me this, how many people actually rely on hunting in order to survive?

I think that knowing a bunch of hunters and knowing what they do with the dead deer, in fact one of them has over 14 deer heads and skins. I couln\'t find any stats on things like that. But I know from personal experience. And you know what they do with the meat? They don\'t know either, all they know is that they take it to some guy to skin the animal. It\'s all personal experience so you can take it or leave it. But now that you want so much proof, tell me how many hunters actually eat the meat or hunt for a coat in order to survive? Or is it just to say "look I killed it"

"Curbing overpopulation?" Well, that means that it\'s ok to kill each other in order to stop humans from over population. Let\'s go hunt some Japanese to stop them from over populating. What gives us the right to say "alright you all have enough species in the earth, we\'re going to have to kill some of you off" Nothing.

Bullfighting is also disgusting. I really don\'t see the "sport" part of killing a bull so viciously in order to feed our inner violence. Like the Omen said, let it be 50/50. You can\'t argue that "bullfighters die" because they had the decision to do what they do. There is never a "loser" but the bull.

Originally posted by Unicron!
Thats inhumane

Next time I d like to see helpless humans without any form of defense in a coliseum filled with hungry lions.And only the lions would get a medical treatment.That would be f*cking awesome as well.Why not?Sounds as fair as bullfighting.

Humans > Animals.

Let me dish out another perspective; a bull can either live its miserable life in some damp stable, and then butchered and fed to fat Americans as Happy Meals... or it can be bred to be a strong and fierce beast and die in glory!