Hamas leader killed in Israeli strike

GAZA CITY, Gaza Strip - An Israeli missile strike killed Hamas leader Abdel Aziz Rantisi on Saturday in a strike on his car, hospital officials said. Rantisi\'s son Mohammed and a bodyguard also were killed in the attack, the officials said. The militant Hamas leader was one of Israel\'s top targets after it had assassinated Hamas founder Sheik Ahmed Yassin in an airstrike last month.


A new one has been named already and promises revenge.

remind me again why we give Isreal 15million per day and they continue to shit on our requests?

A new one has been named already and promises revenge.

They are keeping him secret, right? Seems like a good idea, out of their pov.

Did Hamas ever revenge the killing of Yassin, or are they still planning something? The only bomb I heard of after the Yassin killing was the one that exploded the day this dude got assassinated.

I didnt hear anything either except for it was planned by the new guy and welp, look where he is.

You give Israel 15 million a day so that they can kill and occupy the Pals land.

They killed a terrorist...

Do you have some sort of problem with that?

The Pals lost their land when they attacked Israel with other Arab nations.  If you look at any map in 1948 the PAL\'s controlled 65 percent of what is now Israel - they didn\'t want peace and never have.

So if the Pals lost the war with Israel, and Israel took the Palestinian land, does that make it right though?

Why do the Israelis still occupy that land? It is not theirs, nobody gave it to them right?

Isn’t that the same as the Germans losing WW2 and having Poland, France, Russia, England etc… just divide Germany up and say “Sorry you lost the war, so your land is my land”?

And if that is the case, then the Jews got conquered a lot in the middle east, and should give that land up to their “historical” conquers.

Dude, the Jews have had the worst hand dealt to them of any race that has ever existed; even worse than Africans. The least they can get is that miserable strip of land, that is constantly in jeapordy everyday.

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Originally posted by Toxical
Why do the Israelis still occupy that land? It is not theirs, nobody gave it to them right?

On the contrary. The Arabs and Jews have been fighting for that piece of land for thousands of years, since Moses led them to the "Promised" land. Ever since, they\'ve been fighting over the land. When Britain owned it for a while, they didn\'t help it. In the 20s, they issued a treaty to both Palestine and Israel stating (one to PALs and one to Israel) stating it was their land. So now, they feel that the treaty applies to them. Through the treaty the Israelis feel it is theirs and visa versa.

Originally posted by Toxical
So if the Pals lost the war with Israel, and Israel took the Palestinian land, does that make it right though?

Why do the Israelis still occupy that land? It is not theirs, nobody gave it to them right?

Isn’t that the same as the Germans losing WW2 and having Poland, France, Russia, England etc… just divide Germany up and say “Sorry you lost the war, so your land is my land”?

And if that is the case, then the Jews got conquered a lot in the middle east, and should give that land up to their “historical” conquers.

So Israel should just give back the Golan Heights, the West Bank and 50 percent of its current borders and let by gones be by gones?  :rolleyes:

The current borders are Israels only defense against the Arab world that has vowed to destroy it.  Why is it so hard to understand that most Arab countries don\'t believe Israel has a right to exist and Israel must defend itself?  

Israel came into existance soley because of the Holocaust and the guilt that the Allies felt regarding the matter.  Two of the first countries to recognize the state of Israel were the US and the USSR.

The main issue regarding the whole PAL/Israeli conflict is Jerusalem.  If you are going by historical pretext then Israel has more of a right to the Holy City than any Arab country does.  Islam is a mere 1400 years old while Judaism is over 5750 years old.

The rule of Israelites in the land of Israel starts in 1250 BCE
In 587 BCE they got conquered by the Babylonian, so they got exiled.
After that Israel was ruled by the Persian, Greek Hellenistic, Roman and Byzantine Empires, Islamic and Christian crusaders, Ottoman Empire, and the British Empire.

The Israelis have been through a lot of conquest in their history, not just by “Muslims/Arabs” of the modern era...

If someone doesn’t do the right thing, nobody will exist there anyway, cause someone is gonna nuke the other side. And so far only the Israelis have nukes.

As for vowing to destroy Israel, both sides are too proud, and if you get shitted on, you start to talk brave and be predicting the destruction of your neighbor.

My Opinion is that Israel came into existence because the USA and some other countries felt it was in their best interest to put a link to the western world in the middle of the rich-oil producing region.

I seriously doubt Stalin would shed a tear over a couple million Jews, when he murdered ~20 million of his own people.

Originally posted by Toxical
The rule of Israelites in the land of Israel starts in 1250 BCE
In 587 BCE they got conquered by the Babylonian, so they got exiled.
After that Israel was ruled by the Persian, Greek Hellenistic, Roman and Byzantine Empires, Islamic and Christian crusaders, Ottoman Empire, and the British Empire.

The Israelis have been through a lot of conquest in their history, not just by “Muslims/Arabs” of the modern era...

If someone doesn’t do the right thing, nobody will exist there anyway, cause someone is gonna nuke the other side. And so far only the Israelis have nukes.

As for vowing to destroy Israel, both sides are too proud, and if you get shitted on, you start to talk brave and be predicting the destruction of your neighbor.

My Opinion is that Israel came into existence because the USA and some other countries felt it was in their best interest to put a link to the western world in the middle of the rich-oil producing region.

I seriously doubt Stalin would shed a tear over a couple million Jews, when he murdered ~20 million of his own people.

Oh jeez... where to start with this distortion of the truth...

The only facts in this post are in the first paragraph.  The rest are revisionist at best.

A nice article on how Israel came in to existence and how the Arabs have refused time and again to come to a peaceful solution:

http://www.nctimes.net/news/2001/20010130/g.html

Some highlights:

The modern history of the Palestine area began at the end of World War I when the League of Nations took over the administration of part of a Turkish province of Syria that Turkey had ruled for more then 400 years Part of it was Palestine. The last indigenous rulers of an independent state in Palestine were the Jewish kingdoms. There was never an independent, indigenous Arab state.

The British, whom the League of Nations had assigned to administer this ancient Jewish homeland in 1919, sliced off 78 percent of it and gave it to the Arabs. It was called the Hashemite Kingdom of Transjordan.

In 1947 the United Nations, successor to the League of Nations, voted by a two-thirds majority to give another 10 percent of what was left of the Jewish homeland to the Arabs. It retained about 2 percent around Jerusalem as an international city. The remaining 10 percent, where the Jews were in the majority, was given to them.

More...

A resolution adopted at a 1957 conference of Palestinians in Syria states, "Any discussion aimed at the solution of the Palestine problem which will not be based on ensuring the right to annihilate Israel will be regarded as a desecration of the Arab people and an act of treason."

Today we are confronted by the same basic problem. Israel has offered the Palestinians more than their brother Arabs have ever offered them, including the return of refugees to Palestine and compensation for those whose homes no longer exist. Under U.N. Resolution 194, they can return to the area of Palestine controlled by the Arabs. In addition, they have been offered most of the West Bank and Gaza. Those whose homes no longer exist can be compensated from the money looted from Jews in the Arab states. These offers have been refused.

As you can see by those two quotes alone, the Arabs - the PAL\'s in particular have had numerous opportunities to have their homeland.  This has nothing to with pride on both sides - this is soley a PAL issue.

The USSR along with the US wasn\'t the first to recognize Israel?

http://www.mideastweb.org/israeldeclaration.htm

"The Israeli Declaration of Independence was read out on Friday, the 14th of May 1948 by   David Ben Gurion, who then became the first Prime Minister of the new state. The State was quickly recognized by the United States and the USSR."

Israel has no oil as you most likely know and it is not in the middle of the oil producing region - why would the US want to create a state when it had Iran under the Shah under its influence?  Britain basically set up Kuwait for British Petroleum... Israel and oil!?!?!  That is laughable.

Nice article on the Pals
http://www.nctimes.net/news/2001/20010130/g.html
was the guy who wrote it Jewish? That article was one sided, naturally.

At the end of this war a similar number of Palestinian Arabs became displaced. Their property losses were a tiny fraction of what was stolen from the Jews.  Uhm… right………I guess displace one jew and it costs $46,000   displace one Pal and the cost is $8.50  …  This article stinks of a one-sided view.


I never said the USSR didn’t recognize Israel, I said Stalin didn’t shed any tears over 6 million Jews if he killed so many of his own people, that is why I disagree with what you originally said, that the “Allies Felt Guilty”   I doubt Russia felt guilty.


The one constant about all the “puppet” states you mentioned is that they were not occupied by Christians, or non-Muslims. By creating a non-Muslim state with Israel they basically thrust a little island of trouble into the middle-east, and Israel isn’t that far away from those “Oil producing countries” as you say  And I never said Israel “Had Oil”

Originally posted by Toxical
Nice article on the Pals
http://www.nctimes.net/news/2001/20010130/g.html
was the guy who wrote it Jewish? That article was one sided, naturally.

At the end of this war a similar number of Palestinian Arabs became displaced. Their property losses were a tiny fraction of what was stolen from the Jews.  Uhm… right………I guess displace one jew and it costs $46,000   displace one Pal and the cost is $8.50  …  This article stinks of a one-sided view.


I never said the USSR didn’t recognize Israel, I said Stalin didn’t shed any tears over 6 million Jews if he killed so many of his own people, that is why I disagree with what you originally said, that the “Allies Felt Guilty”   I doubt Russia felt guilty.


The one constant about all the “puppet” states you mentioned is that they were not occupied by Christians, or non-Muslims. By creating a non-Muslim state with Israel they basically thrust a little island of trouble into the middle-east, and Israel isn’t that far away from those “Oil producing countries” as you say  And I never said Israel “Had Oil”

:rolleyes:

Why is it you discredit any fact that is presented to you - and offer none of your own?  The article is valid regardless of who wrote it because it is historical fact.  Are you a revisionist?  I am beginning to wonder...

There is a definite link between the Holocaust and the establishment of Israel.  The Holocaust proved, beyond a shadow of a doubt, that the Jewish people must have a land of their own. Israel is absolutely necessary as a safe refuge for any Jew, anywhere in the world, threatened by anti-Semitism.  Do you disagree?  

So now Israel is to blame for all of the problems in the region? - go figure.  :rolleyes:

Try comprehending what you read regarding the history of the region.  The Arabs are the ones who can\'t live in peace - it has been proven by how many wars they have waged on Israel?  Not the other way around.  

Your weak arguments grow tiresome - stop ranting and start presenting facts.

Yes Adolf, Stop closing threads dimwit, and stop calling me names.

You are the biggest hypocrite on this board, can’t present straight views, so you give slanted one sided links to some obscure writer.

Don’t you have some rabbi to consult with, or movie theater to picket?