US Soilder\'s from Abu Ghraib: ""It is a common thing to abuse prisoners,"

i\'ll make sure i shed a tear for the poor iraqi prisoners tonight, my heart bleeds for thier comfort while they attempted to kill our soldiers (or blow up buses full of innocent people)

mm\'s reasoning is not too different then what most of American\'s think.

What do they think?

Americans > Iraqis

not

Americans = Iraqis

BUT

1 American soldier > 10 Iraqi Civilians

I don\'t see how one human is any higher then another

wrong

coalition soldiers > iraqi soldiers

iraqi soldiers < iraqi civilians

strapping bombs to kids to detonate in public markets is hardly "human"

I just don\'t like the news of 2 coalition soldiers getting killed get front page news but 60 civilians being blown to bits by a suicide bomb just runs along the bottom of the screen

BTW,  more Iraqis are getting killed by the suicide bombers then Americans

because  the  60 civilians being blown to bits by a suicide bomb just runs along the bottom of the screen is a daily event over there

it\'s thier way of life

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Originally posted by mm
to hell with  the iraqi prioners

how did they treat our pow\'s?

how do they treat foriegn news correspondants?  oh yeah, they slay them, strip them naked and drag them down the street with a car
:rolleyes:

Ever heard the phrase "two wrong\'s , don\'t make a right"? I sure hope you have. We are suppose to be the civil people, but we are acting far from it over there.

LIC please dont confuse a soldier with a normal person

especially a soldier over thier fighting against those animals.

i don\'t know another way to say this, but THIS IS WAR

patton would kick your lilly ass if he saw you guys crying over the poor, dirty iraqi soldiers.  you know they give guns to 8 year old children and tell them allah will  reward them for shooting US citizens?

this is NO  civility during war, especially a fukn jihad.  ask the 911 victims where the thier civility is

you think the coalition soldiers that are captured are put up in a 5 star hotel?

as i said before, when\'s the last time you EVER saw a US troop take a forigen news correspondant hostage and kill them (like the iraqi troops do repeatedly)

oh..never :rolleyes:

civility, my ass.  there\'s not even human

Originally posted by mm

as i said before, when\'s the last time you EVER saw a US troop take a forigen news correspondant hostage and kill them (like the iraqi troops do repeatedly)

I haven\'t...but I have seen U.S. troops take Iraqis to prison and make them have oral sex.

But I guess the forigennews correspondant thing is worst so its all good

Originally posted by alliswell
mm\'s reasoning is not too different then what most of American\'s think.

What do they think?

Americans > Iraqis

not

Americans = Iraqis
 

The website "the daily telegraph" proves my point...

Good ol\' girl who enjoyed cruelty

By SHARON CHURCHER in Fort Ashby

May 7, 2004

POINTING crudely at the genitals of a naked, hooded Iraqi, the petite brunette with a cigarette hanging from her lips epitomised America\'s shame over revelations US soldiers routinely tortured inmates at Abu Ghraib jail near Baghdad.


Lynndie England, 21, a rail worker\'s daughter, comes from a trailer park in Fort Ashby, West Virginia, which locals proudly call "a backwoods world".

She faces a court martial, but at home she is toasted as a hero.


At the dingy Corner Club Saloon they think she has done nothing wrong.


"A lot of people here think they ought to just blow up the whole of Iraq," Colleen Kesner said.


"To the country boys here, if you\'re a different nationality, a different race, you\'re sub-human. That\'s the way girls like Lynndie are raised.


"Tormenting Iraqis, in her mind, would be no different from shooting a turkey. Every season here you\'re hunting something. Over there, they\'re hunting Iraqis."


In Fort Ashby, in the isolated Appalachian mountains 260km west of Washington, the poor, barely-educated and almost all-white population talk openly about an active Ku Klux Klan presence.


There is little understanding of the issues in Iraq and less of why photographs showing soldiers from the 372nd Military Police Company, mostly from around Fort Ashby, abusing prisoners has caused a furore.


Like many, England signed up to make money and see the world. After her tour of duty, she planned to settle down and marry her first love, Charles Graner.


Down a dirt track at the edge of town, in the trailer where England grew up, her mother Terrie dismissed the allegations against her daughter as unfair.


"They were just doing stupid kid things, pranks. And what the Iraqis do to our men and women are just? The rules of the Geneva Convention, do they apply to everybody or just us?" she asked.


She said she didn\'t know where her daughter was being held, but had spoken to her on the phone.


"She told me nothing happened which wasn\'t ordered by higher up," she said.


"They are trying to pin all of this on the lower ranks. My daughter was just following orders. I think there\'s a conspiracy. "


A colleague of Lynndie\'s father said people in Fort Ashby were sick of the whingeing.


"We just had an 18-year-old from round here killed by the Iraqis," he said.


"We went there to help the jackasses and they started blowing us up. Lynndie didn\'t kill \'em, she didn\'t cut \'em up. She should have shot some of the suckers." [/b]

Originally posted by mm
i\'ll make sure i shed a tear for the poor iraqi prisoners tonight, my heart bleeds for thier comfort while they attempted to kill our soldiers (or blow up buses full of innocent people)

Nobody wants your tears, why are we there in the first place? to liberate them? did they ask for it? or did Uncle Bush have a hard-on for getting into Iraq when his administration began?

If  the USA didn\'t invade Iraq, no American soldier would have been killed there. No civilians in Iraq would be killed, nobody would have been kidnapped.

but saddam would be be committing genocide without noone to repremand him for it

I haven\'t...but I have seen U.S. troops take Iraqis to prison and make them have oral sex.

oh really!, i had no idea you were over there

bro, im not beleiving shit from a website called "the daily telegraph".

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Originally posted by mm
but saddam would be be committing genocide without noone to repremand him for it


oh really!, i had no idea you were over there

bro, im not beleiving shit from a website called "the daily telegraph".

there are other countries committing genocide & you don\'t see the u.s. rushing to aid them...point is the u.s. are supposed to be the civilized party & yes it is war, but those soldiers are supposed to maintain a level of professionalism regardless if the iraqi prisoners are yelling profanities or what have you..and lets not forget why we went to war in the first place..for wmd\'s... my oh my whatever happened to that topic?,...not to liberate the iraqi people..:rolleyes:

Originally posted by mm
but saddam would be be committing genocide without noone to repremand him for it


oh really!, i had no idea you were over there

bro, im not beleiving shit from a website called "the daily telegraph".

Since you apparently didn\'t know, The Daily Telegraph is a respected english newspaper that has been published since 1855.  It\'s known as a conservative news source in the UK, so it should be to your liking.  

The pro-war contingent in this forum and in the US seems to enjoy using whatever excuse is convenient to justify our agression in Iraq.  First it was a fictional connection to Al Qaida, then a fictional stockpile of WMDs, followed by a pressing need to oust a dictator...  Please don\'t expect me to believe for a minute that you care about Saddam\'s oppression of the Iraqi people.  You already called them "animals" and said "they\'re not even human" in this very thread.  This must be how you\'re able to ignore and downplay war crimes like those our own military forces have been committing.  

I think the whole reason so many people claim to still support this war is because they (like mm) can\'t admit that WE SCREWED UP.  It becomes more personal, because every one of these Bush war supporters has to admit not just that US policy blew it, but they personally blew it.  They voted for Bush, they swallowed his lies, along with all the other BS spewed by Rumsfeld and Powell and Rice, they argued the points with their friends.  Now in the face of all logic and reason, they have to continue bailing water out of a sinking ship because to do otherwise would make them look like a COMPLETE IDIOT.  Some people have a hard time admitting when they\'re wrong.

Now come on clips we can\'t help everyone.  Iraq has a vital resource so they get first priority

Originally posted by Coredweller
Since you apparently didn\'t know, The Daily Telegraph is a respected english newspaper that has been published since 1855.  It\'s known as a conservative news source in the UK, so it should be to your liking.  

The pro-war contingent in this forum and in the US seems to enjoy using whatever excuse is convenient to justify our agression in Iraq.  First it was a fictional connection to Al Qaida,  

I stopped reading here ^.

No offense Core, it started out as a good post, but the connection to terrorism has already been established - whether it be Al Qaida or some other offshoot.