US Soilder\'s from Abu Ghraib: ""It is a common thing to abuse prisoners,"

Originally posted by GigaShadow
I stopped reading here ^.

No offense Core, it started out as a good post, but the connection to terrorism has already been established - whether it be Al Qaida or some other offshoot.

I believe in my original post I said "fictional connection to Al Qaida" not "fictional connection to some terrorist offshoot."  I was trying to call attention to the Bush administration\'s LIES that Saddam\'s government had a connection to the very organization that executed the 9/11 attacks.  Our executive branch made undeniable statements to this effect, contrary to what their own intelligence reports were telling them, all in an effort to increase public support for the impending war.  Some people believed the lies, and now to give up support for the war would require them to admit they were suckered.

BTW, if there\'s proof of some other terrorist connection, please post it.  I may be behind in my news gathering.

"While the influence of foreign fighters has become a problem during America\'s occupation of Iraq, it\'s not a new one. One of the Bush team\'s arguments for invading Iraq and deposing Saddam Hussein was the presence of the Ansar al Islam group, who dominated a region in northeastern Iraq near the town of Halabja, by the Iranian border. And Ansar was a problem. During the war, teams from the 3rd Army Special Forces group fought pitched battles against Ansar, destroying their terrorist training camp after four days of fighting."

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/993622/posts

It is a conservative news source, but in its defense it is dated October of 2003.  

In any event, Ansar al Islam who is connected to Al Qaida was operating in Iraq prior to the war.

Plus, the ricin plant and the funding of terrorist groups...

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Originally posted by GigaShadow
"While the influence of foreign fighters has become a problem during America\'s occupation of Iraq, it\'s not a new one. One of the Bush team\'s arguments for invading Iraq and deposing Saddam Hussein was the presence of the Ansar al Islam group, who dominated a region in northeastern Iraq near the town of Halabja, by the Iranian border. And Ansar was a problem. During the war, teams from the 3rd Army Special Forces group fought pitched battles against Ansar, destroying their terrorist training camp after four days of fighting."

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/993622/posts

It is a conservative news source, but in its defense it is dated October of 2003.  

In any event, Ansar al Islam who is connected to Al Qaida was operating in Iraq prior to the war.

but giga that does not mean saddam knew about it..the same can be said for idle cells that are residing in the u.s. right now...does the pres. know about it? of course not..would the pres. condone them bein\' here? again no...as far as saddam is concerned i don\'t know whether he knew about it or not, it\'s probably along the lines of he didn\'t give a f**k...but that doesn\'t connect him to al queda...

Terrorists are Terrorists, and there are Terroists who we pay no attention too. If you want to fight terrorism you have to fight ALL terrorism, not only those who target you or your allies.

Dont ever poop your pants in Iraq, take it from me.

Originally posted by GigaShadow
Now come on clips we can\'t help everyone.  Iraq has a vital resource so they get first priority

So is it just coincidence that we almost only get involved when we have something to gain?

http://www.psx2central.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=33590

Originally posted by clips
but giga that does not mean saddam knew about it..the same can be said for idle cells that are residing in the u.s. right now...does the pres. know about it? of course not..would the pres. condone them bein\' here? again no...as far as saddam is concerned i don\'t know whether he knew about it or not, it\'s probably along the lines of he didn\'t give a f**k...but that doesn\'t connect him to al queda...

It was known that Saddem despised Bin Laden and the feeling was more than mutual by ol\' Bin Hidin\'

As for terrorist cells within Iraq, he probably didnt car as long as they didnt affect his money or power.

So Saddam didnt\' know about it?  That\'s a laugh... he was a dictator with an elaborate internal security network... don\'t insult our intelligence clips.  They wouldn\'t have been there if Saddam didn\'t want them there.

Tsina why should America give a damn about another country if it doesn\'t benefit us?  To hell with other countries - why does it seem only worthwhile to liberals when it doesn\'t benefit the US.  Being the most GENEROUS country in the world has gotten us nowhere.  That is a little fact people like you tend to forget - the amount of foreign aid, the amount of money we pay to various UN agencies, the amount of humanitarian aid is staggering - yet it isn\'t enough for people like you.

I have yet to see one positive thing posted about the US by liberals on this board.  It is sickening that if you are on the left side of politics in this country these days that you have such a negative outlook on your own country.  Prisoner abuse?  It has gone on since the beginning of time and every civilization and country has done it to some extent - why is the US held to such high standards and no other country?  This so called abuse of prisoners doesn\'t effect my perception of this country and the military and frankly I couldn\'t give a flying f*** what the rest of the socialist world thinks.  Be thankful for what freedoms and opportunities you have in this country and stop worrying about what our perception is with other countries.

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giga even if saddam did know i don\'t think he would have cared..like tsina said as long as he wasn\'t cuttin in on his action saddam probably didn\'t care...on the point of why should america give a damn about another country....you\'re right they shouldn\'t that\'s why the u.s. shouldn\'t try to run that weak rhetoric that they care about the iraqi people when they do not...they could care less about the iraqi people...they just want to make sure they have soild hold on the region....

and on your 3rd point i already have pointed out countless times why the u.s. doing this to those prisoners hurts them more than them saying "look they have done it to us!" you can\'t say we are liberators--which you pointed out indirectly by stating we have an interest in iraq...then turn around & do shit like that..it\'s common sense..i can\'t belive i\'m entertaining this for like the 8th time....it\'s like spies..the u.s. russia everybody has \'em but if one gets caught it\'s kind of a bad pr for that country...so yes it happens but like i said before if you get caught you just have to suck it up & face the music...maybe that last example with the spies isn\'t the greatest but maybe you get my point....

Originally posted by GigaShadow
Tsina why should America give a damn about another country if it doesn\'t benefit us?  To hell with other countries - why does it seem only worthwhile to liberals when it doesn\'t benefit the US.  Being the most GENEROUS country in the world has gotten us nowhere.  That is a little fact people like you tend to forget - the amount of foreign aid, the amount of money we pay to various UN agencies, the amount of humanitarian aid is staggering - yet it isn\'t enough for people like you.

I have yet to see one positive thing posted about the US by liberals on this board.  It is sickening that if you are on the left side of politics in this country these days that you have such a negative outlook on your own country.  Prisoner abuse?  It has gone on since the beginning of time and every civilization and country has done it to some extent - why is the US held to such high standards and no other country?  This so called abuse of prisoners doesn\'t effect my perception of this country and the military and frankly I couldn\'t give a flying f*** what the rest of the socialist world thinks.  Be thankful for what freedoms and opportunities you have in this country and stop worrying about what our perception is with other countries.

I never said we should one way or another. That\'s exactly where we agree, the hell with other countries. We should help ourseleves before ANYONE else and we hardly do. We say we are but in fact aren\'t really doing shit for ourseleves when we get involved overseas. Afghan. was understanable as that was basically al-queda\'s "homeland"

People like me??? You talk about me and my assumptions/generalizations, yet it is you that does it this time no? I say we cut most of them completely off. We should feed our people, then when we have very few starving people, then we can start to worry about feeding other countries. Once again, people like me? I dont agree or condone with anything you stated in that first paragraph. Sorry for ya.....

I have a negative outlook on our country as we attempt to be the end all on how people should act, but in reality rarely do we act any better than anyone else short of suicide bombings. We are held to those standards as those are the same standards we demand of most everyone else in the world.
I love what we have compared to other nations and Im saddend by what they regulate so strongly in certain instances. The only time I care what we look like to the rest of the world is when we try to impose that same standard on others like we dont have to follow our own advice.

Originally posted by TSina
I never said we should one way or another. That\'s exactly where we agree, the hell with other countries. We should help ourseleves before ANYONE else and we hardly do. We say we are but in fact aren\'t really doing shit for ourseleves when we get involved overseas. Afghan. was understanable as that was basically al-queda\'s "homeland"

Warning contradiction coming... I dont agree or condone with anything you stated in that first paragraph. Sorry for ya.....

I have a negative outlook on our country as we attempt to be the end all on how people should act, but in reality rarely do we act any better than anyone else short of suicide bombings. We are held to those standards as those are the same standards we demand of most everyone else in the world.
I love what we have compared to other nations and Im saddend by what they regulate so strongly in certain instances. The only time I care what we look like to the rest of the world is when we try to impose that same standard on others like we dont have to follow our own advice.

You contradict yourself in saying you agree with me in your second sentence and then in your second paragraph you say you "don\'t agree or condone ANYTHING I stated in that first paragraph"  Are you on medication?

Our current situations abroad are in the best interest of this country.  Why not fight Islamic fundamentalists on their home territory as opposed to here?  Also something I find interesting... clips - has anyone else noticed the number of coordinated attacks on our soldiers has dropped since these "abuse" :rolleyes: stories have come out?  Of course nothing positive could come out of such terrible disgusting torture...  :rolleyes:

So much for facing the music... really - where are you guys when these people commit REAL human rights violations?

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giga it is clear that you support bush no-matter what..even tho i was against the war, there have been a few times where i was actually in favor of some of the coalition deeds...numerous times i\'ve stated these insurgents just need to relax and let the u.s. do their thing...i look at both sides of the spectrum..they would love you over at fox news...as far as the topic at hand, nobody is going to deny these insurgents have committed atrocious acts..but you have to remember not all iraqis hate the u.s. some are greatful that we are there..

so these same iraqis that are fond of us bein there were just as upset when those soldiers were hung & dragged in the streets..that said what do you think the reaction will be when they see the u.s. (the so-called liberators:rolleyes:  ) turn around and do s**t like that...there should be swift discipline to those that committed these acts & move on to the next stage of the war...

Originally posted by clips
giga it is clear that you support bush no-matter what..even tho i was against the war, there have been a few times where i was actually in favor of some of the coalition deeds...numerous times i\'ve stated these insurgents just need to relax and let the u.s. do their thing...i look at both sides of the spectrum..they would love you over at fox news...as far as the topic at hand, nobody is going to deny these insurgents have committed atrocious acts..but you have to remember not all iraqis hate the u.s. some are greatful that we are there..

so these same iraqis that are fond of us bein there were just as upset when those soldiers were hung & dragged in the streets..that said what do you think the reaction will be when they see the u.s. (the so-called liberators:rolleyes:  ) turn around and do s**t like that...there should be swift discipline to those that committed these acts & move on to the next stage of the war...

No I don\'t support Bush "no matter what".  I don\'t care who is in office - this is regarding supporting our troops and the situation in Iraq.  I don\'t like indecisive people and these times and the current situation call for decisive actions.  

I just find it disturbing that a significant number of Americans want to see us fail and relish any bad news that comes out the region.  I am not the die hard Republican you think I am... if I was I would most certainly change my avatar to this:
:rolleyes:

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i do support our troops that is not even an issue..the issue with me is that i do not support the war..but you can\'t sit there and blindly believe that the war was necessary,..clearly it wasn\'t,..saddam wasn\'t a threat to anybody & the sanctions was keepin him in check..british & u.s. fighter planes were bombing strategic targets from time to time...i can understand afganistan (spell) cause clearly me and just about everybody else wanted some action after 911...and it was a FACT that bin laden was in the immediate area...

it\'s ok to support the troops but it\'s not ok to blindly follow the pres..into a war that was not needed...numerous times he\'s back peddled from saddam having wmd\'s to wmd programs to having the ability to make them, then out of no-where we became liberators:rolleyes:...