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Offline Deadly Hamster
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« Reply #45 on: May 17, 2004, 05:28:08 PM »
They\'ve reported everything they find, basically as soon as they find it, this is one of the first times it\'s actually been anything important.
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« Reply #46 on: May 17, 2004, 06:21:18 PM »
*OFF-TOPIC* Just felt some need to say it though








I still would prefer Bush over Kerry any day, the Iraq situation is bad, but Kerry just has something about him that will take us farther in to the hole IMO.
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« Reply #47 on: May 17, 2004, 10:47:05 PM »
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I\'m just saying that there are things that go unreported. Our military doesn\'t need to tell the public what they do.


Are you really serious? Dont you think if they found anything worthwhile...even just a little bit, it wouldn\'t be all over the damn news? Seeing how that was the reasoning they used in suckering americans and others for support in this bullshit war.

They would certainly want the info out as fast as possible to as many news agencies as possible. Then they wouldn\'t be deceptive little liars.
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« Reply #48 on: May 18, 2004, 08:06:27 AM »
I find it amusing that there is so much hype over one shell of chemical weapon that hurt nobody,

but there is no talk about where the terrorists are gettng thousands of lbs of I don\'t know what type of explosives to kill people by the tens daily.

incredible

I would start searching for the REAL WMDs that are a REAL threat
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« Reply #49 on: May 18, 2004, 08:25:08 AM »
Garden variety explosives are WMD\'s? - Iraq bought its arsenal (which I am sure the terrorists are using) from Russia, China and even the US in the early 80\'s when it fighting Iran.  

I thought it was pretty much common knowledge of what the terrorists were using and where they were getting their supply from. ;)  To be honest who knows what is buried under the sand or was shipped off to Syria.  Syria after all is ruled by the same Baath party that ruled Iraq...

We may never know.  

I wonder if the same thing would be said if they found one atomic device that "didn\'t hurt nobody"?
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« Reply #50 on: May 18, 2004, 08:44:54 AM »
one atomic device and one mortar shell with sarin is totally and completely different and you know this.
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« Reply #51 on: May 18, 2004, 08:48:08 AM »
For one it wasn\'t a mortar shell... secondly it is a WMD - and was capable of killing thousands in an urban area.  The only difference is between the two is the yield is greater.  What are thousands compared to tens of thousands?
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« Reply #52 on: May 18, 2004, 08:56:39 AM »
Doesnt matter what it is and yes, we know it is a WMD.

The part that matters is who did it belong to and where did it come from?

Dont you think Saddam would have used these if he had them last year? Considering he is the animal that he is.

On that note, this has been like the only or one of the very few "active" devices found.
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« Reply #53 on: May 18, 2004, 09:01:45 AM »
No I don\'t think Saddam would have used them.  Even if he had wanted to, his commanders in the field may have refused to.  

The reason I don\'t think he would have used them is due to one of two reasons:

1.  He knew he was going to lose and he instructed his insurgents to use them after he was gone.

or - which I think is more plausible

2.  He knew he was going to lose and to gain the moral high ground he sent them to Syria or buried them in the desert where they will never be found.  Now he can claim he never had them and the US was wrong for invading his country.

The reason I believe in the 2nd view is that he provided documentation and evidence that he destroyed his Scuds, but when the inspectors wanted evidence of the WMD\'s destruction he flat out refused and said that they were "gone".  Why would he be so willing to show them his destruction of the Scuds and not the WMD\'s?
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« Reply #54 on: May 18, 2004, 09:10:07 AM »
Actually if I remember correctly he did allow them to inspect and tag "certain" sites with chem/bio weapons.

His reasoning for refusal of the rest was something along the lines of "when is enough enough" "ive complied" etc..etc..

Which would further support your moral high road comment, yet still retaining his precious chemicals.

It\'s all really a guessing game.

Although it isn\'t unlikely at all that some terrorist came upon his own ways of making a sarin bomb. And that is the point im making. Just b/c it is in Iraq doesnt mean it belongs to the former regime.

Now if we didnt have to fight all of the insurgents and terrorists comming into Iraq, then it would be a different story.
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« Reply #55 on: May 18, 2004, 09:37:22 AM »
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Although it isn\'t unlikely at all that some terrorist came upon his own ways of making a sarin bomb. And that is the point im making. Just b/c it is in Iraq doesnt mean it belongs to the former regime.

 


I strongly disagree... the Sarin IDE bomb was actually a 155mm artillery shell.  How many terrorists run around with howitzers that can fire 14 miles?  That is why I am almost positive it came from the former regime\'s stockpile.
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« Reply #56 on: May 18, 2004, 09:45:24 AM »
Thats not to say they didnt get it elsewhere.

How many terrorists have millions of dollars to fund their cause?

How many are involved in the selling of weapons to obtain cash for more cheaper weapons and bomb materials.

This could go on forever untill they find many more singular units or a large cache of them.
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« Reply #57 on: May 18, 2004, 10:17:12 AM »
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I find it amusing that there is so much hype over one shell of chemical weapon that hurt nobody,



Who is hyping it?  THe government or the media?  From what I\'ve heard the gov\'t is actually downplaying it at the time being.

The media on the other hand, well they have time to fill.
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« Reply #58 on: May 18, 2004, 11:30:56 AM »
Hmmm okay even if it was made by the old Iraqi government, it is the ONLY thing to be found so far. I wouldn\'t base an invasion on one shell of WMD.
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« Reply #59 on: May 18, 2004, 03:52:53 PM »
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Who is hyping it?  THe government or the media?  From what I\'ve heard the gov\'t is actually downplaying it at the time being.

The media on the other hand, well they have time to fill.


you are absolutley right
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