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« Reply #15 on: May 18, 2004, 04:25:41 AM »
Yea after awhile you get to use it, I just have a really hard time since I\'ve been playing FPS games on the PC for 3-4 years.
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« Reply #16 on: May 18, 2004, 06:51:06 AM »
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Paul don\'t get me started. For the past 5 years I only (played) game on a CRT or HDTV. Analog low-res TV are pathetic to game on.

Now considering XBOX will be able to output at higher than 480, there had better be a VGA adaptor...


Hello, I believe videogames consoles are mainly made to hook up with a tv.  Look at XBOX, it can be hook up with hdtv with an adapter with component video.  1080p hdtv are on its way to the market (maybe around 2006 as that\'s the mandatory time where many broadcast will be switching to digital video and hd.)
Althought VGA would be perfect for analog videogames, but many hdtv don\'t have VGA, most only have component video and DVI.  Now, HDMI is replacing DVI.


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you got me there.:shy::p

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Originally posted by THX HDMI has a bandwidth of 5gbps and can be fully digital. VGA is analog but can support even higher resolutions I think. You\'ll start to see more HDMI connections within a couple of years. It\'s primary purpose it actually for copyright protection so it\'ll have much more penetration in the home theater market.


HDMi bandwidth is 5 Gbits per sec, versus DVI 1.5 Gbits, that is found on hdtv and computer Graphic Card which have both VGA and DVI...

I could see future graphic card on computer replacing the DVI with HDMI...

Because DVI can only display maximum of 1280 x 960 resolution at 60 frames per second and 24 bits of color uncompressed and it max out from there.

With HDMI, having more than 3x that bandwidth and the size of the connection is about the size of USB (which is smaller than DVI),
it can carry as high as VGA bandwidth.  Not sure which is higher.  But I they are comparable in the bandwidth.  Except 1 is digital and the other is analog.

If HDTV can display a resolution of 1920 x 1080p @ 75 Hz x 24 bits of color,
then that\'s about 3.7 Gbits per second...there is still some more bandwidth left to spare.  It can go higher frame rates or higher resolution, but not necessary.  Plus it also carrys audio too for conveniency.

Look for HDMI to replace DVI on the graphic card on the future in the near future, maybe as early as beginning of next year.
« Last Edit: May 18, 2004, 06:53:17 AM by Paul2 »

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« Reply #17 on: May 18, 2004, 01:16:37 PM »
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Because DVI can only display maximum of 1280 x 960 resolution at 60 frames per second and 24 bits of color uncompressed and it max out from there.

Don\'t be so sure.  Dell\'s 20" LCD has a native res of 1600x1200 with a DVI-D connection.

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« Reply #18 on: May 18, 2004, 04:08:37 PM »
I think THX is on crack.

Look, its have VGA on it.  I guess the reason it will support 1600 x 1200 with 24 bits color and 60hz is through VGA connection...

i doubt LCD can go up to 60hz,  maybe .16 miliseconds....and LCD can\'t produce great black level like CRT.  It have color quality of about 18 bits color...

but i believe the only way to get that 1600 x 1200 x 24 x 60 is through VGA connection...

look at the specs again,
it said, connection: VGA, DVI, Composite, and S Video....

does that means S-Video and composite can get up tol 1600 x 1200 @ 60Hz too?

Do the math multiply these for me:
1600 x 1200 x 24 x 60=
2,764,800,000
or 2.7 Gbits....and DVI only limited to 1.65 Gbits per sec....

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« Reply #19 on: May 18, 2004, 08:56:05 PM »
mmm crack is good

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I\'ve had the 2001FP on an ATI 9700 DVI connection since December and I have NEVER noticed event a hint of ghosting... I am currently playing through Far Cry and it is wonderful with zero ghosting.

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I\'m using it with a Radeon 9800 Pro through the DVI.
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Yep, i have run games at 1600x1200 with everything turned down


http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview.cfm?catid=31&threadid=1299452

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Had to buy a new video card to run 1600x1200 DVI

http://reviews.cnet.com/Dell_UltraSharp_2001FP/4852-3174_7-30588561.html?pn=1&fb=1&ob=0

and for the kicker:

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Streaking and ghosting:

2001FP (digital)........5, None
2001FP (analog)........5, Extremely present at 1600x1200. Analog signal is not capable.

Obviously, with the 1600x1200 resolution, we are pumping more data over the analog signal, which makes it more susceptible to imperfections. The obvious solution here is only to use the DVI cable.

http://www.anandtech.com/showdoc.html?i=1918&p=13

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« Last Edit: May 18, 2004, 09:08:18 PM by THX »

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« Reply #20 on: May 18, 2004, 10:37:01 PM »
yawn,

don\'t know how the heck they get 1600 x 1200 via DVI...yawn...

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« Reply #21 on: May 18, 2004, 11:36:54 PM »
ok, not only do you not know what you\'re talking about, you\'re tired too.  Got it.

;)

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« Reply #22 on: May 19, 2004, 12:40:27 AM »
THX is actually pretty naive in the audio/video world...in terms about computer software and possibly softwares, you may know more than me.  But video world in home entertainment and even audio world, i believe i got the upperhand.

Look, DVI have a max bandwidth of about 1.65 Gbits per second.

That webpage didn\'t say anything about the LCD refresh rate, or how many bits of color does it display max....

again,
DVI can\'t do 1600 x 1200 without sacrificing framerate/refresh rate or color bandwidth.

it doesn\'t have enough bandwidth to do it all uncompressed.

Again,  do you know how banwidth and bitrate are measure in audio/video world?

Look to get a bandwidth of a video signal:

just simply multiply its horizontal resolution with vertical resolution and framerate.

to get a "total bitrate" of a video signal just mulitply the bandwidth with total bits of colors:

horizontal x vertical resolution x framerate x color bandwidth aka bits of color.

like this

lets assume 1600 x 1200 is the total resolution.

24 bits is the maximum color

and 60 hz is the maximum refresh rate

so multiply them all together.

Again, like i said,

1600 x 1200 x 24 x 60 =2,764,800,000
or 2.57 Gbits...

You see, DVI spec is only limited to 1.65 Gbits per second.  Its simply doesn\'t have enough bitrate to do that.

Get your fact straight THX, look up the DVI spec and also look up how bandwidth is measure and how video/audio total bitrate are measure.

Want me to go on about audio bitrate measurement?  Why not?

let use CD redbook:
44.1 kHz sampling 16 bits 2 ch stereo

44,100 hz sampling
16 bits of s/n ratio and dynamic
2 channels stereo

how to measure it total bitrate here?  It doesn\'t take a genious, just multiply them all.

44,100 x 16 x 2 = 1,411,200 bits.  That\'s how bits are measure.

how to get it to become bytes?  Divided by 8.

as you may have known
8 bits = 1 byte

so 1,411,200 divided by 8 = 176,400 bytes.  or approximately about 176.4 Kbytes...the k stand for kilo....or thousand...

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« Reply #23 on: May 19, 2004, 01:27:53 AM »
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THX is actually pretty naive in the audio/video world...in terms about computer software and possibly softwares, you may know more than me.  But video world in home entertainment and even audio world, i believe i got the upperhand.


hmm sig update time.  btw who the **** cares!?  This ain\'t a pissing contest about who knows more.  I don\'t give a shit if you know 5 times as much as me I was merely pointing out what I found.

Don\'t let your ego get in the way dood.  We can have a nice conversation without you coming in every thread typing HDMI this or HDTV that.

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« Reply #24 on: May 19, 2004, 02:00:12 PM »
thx,

i am just pointing out that you say i don\'t know what i am talking about but i do and you try to prove me wrong.  But I was right about what i said.
« Last Edit: May 19, 2004, 02:01:45 PM by Paul2 »

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« Reply #25 on: May 19, 2004, 02:15:28 PM »
This is just another example of Paul2 acting like he has a clue on what is going on. He done the exact same stuff in the PC Forum and I started pointing it out, time and time again.

I like to think of Paul2 as our resident "copy and paste" person. Copy and paste every bit of info he gets off websites and when he get\'s wild he types it out, which usually comes out totally wrong, thus pointing out his ignorance.

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« Reply #26 on: May 19, 2004, 05:55:12 PM »
LIC, its amazing that you come up with the theory that I copy and paste stuff...

unless, you could prove me that I did copy and paste.

go ahead and prove me wrong.

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« Reply #27 on: May 19, 2004, 06:45:36 PM »
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LIC, its amazing that you come up with the theory that I copy and paste stuff.


Paul, if it\'s any consolation, I have been accused of the same thing before, without any proof of course, to back the accusations up. When you start getting technical with some people here, there last line of defense is "well you just copied and pasted that"

On a side note PAUL, if DVI is truly limited, then the PC LCD industry is going to have to come up with a new Standard very soon, after all LCD are beginning to get more advanced every year, soon we will expect native res 1200x1600 19inch LCD\'s that can produce faster refresh rates, etc...

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« Reply #28 on: May 20, 2004, 03:37:58 AM »
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« Reply #29 on: May 20, 2004, 05:59:13 AM »
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They both do, but Paul2 even more so. He done the exact crap in PC forum and I pointed it out. Not that I have anything against him, I just think it\'s cute.
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« Last Edit: May 20, 2004, 06:03:40 AM by Living-In-Clip »

 

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