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thats my guess at the least.
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I don\'t think it matters, we\'d all be dead anyway.
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Not everyone would die, the great majority of the population would, however.  

In the immediate attack, you would see most of the urban and population concentrated centers hit within a day.. but fallout easily lasting for years.

Here is an interesting article about a global thermonuclear war.  it\'s based on the world as it was in 1988, and is based on research the guy did.  Obviously events and such are fictional, but the chain of events leading to the allout war are inconsequential; rather, read the results/fallout years closer to the bottom.  The rest of the site is interesting, from a rather grim viewpoint.  You can see how they make modern nuclear bombs, the effects, etc, etc.
« Last Edit: May 22, 2004, 07:04:40 PM by FatalXception »
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Is this off topic or does nuking people have everything to do with shooting up a wedding?
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The coversation sort of evolved into talking about nuclear bombs... not devolved.  In any case, Nicon is right... try and keep it on the supposed wedding attack.
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Untill we get more information on the issue of the thread... why not just let the discussion lead us where it will?
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after all these little theories, heres a really good one.  
maybe it was just a wedding that went wrong..


see that, amazing isn\'t it.
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Iraq wedding, no wedding. Now yes, a wedding.
More keeps comming in. I\'ll post as I find more info. For some odd reason, I really want to get to the bottom of this incident more than any other.


http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=540&ncid=716&e=2&u=/ap/20040523/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iraq_attack

By SCHEHEREZADE FARAMARZI, Associated Press Writer

RAMADI, Iraq - A videotape obtained Sunday by Associated Press Television News captures a wedding party that survivors say was later attacked by U.S. planes early Wednesday, killing up to 45 people. The dead included the cameraman, Yasser Shawkat Abdullah, hired to record the festivities, which ended Tuesday night before the planes struck.


The U.S. military says it is investigating the attack, which took place in the village of Mogr el-Deeb about five miles from the Syrian border, but that all evidence so far indicates the target was a safehouse for foreign fighters.


"There was no evidence of a wedding: no decorations, no musical instruments found, no large quantities of food or leftover servings one would expect from a wedding celebration," Brig. Gen. Mark Kimmitt said Saturday. "There may have been some kind of celebration. Bad people have celebrations, too."


But video that APTN shot a day after the attack shows fragments of musical instruments, pots and pans and brightly colored beddings used for celebrations, scattered around the bombed out tent.


The wedding videotape shows a dozen white pickup trucks speeding through the desert escorting the bridal car — decorated with colorful ribbons. The bride wears a Western-style white bridal dress and veil. The camera captures her stepping out of the car but does not show a close-up.


An AP reporter and photographer, who interviewed more than a dozen survivors a day after the bombing, were able to identify many of them on the wedding party video — which runs for several hours.


APTN also traveled to Mogr el-Deeb, 250 miles west of Ramadi, the day after the attack to film what the survivors said was the wedding site. A devastated building and remnants of the tent, pots and pans could be seen, along with bits of what appeared to be the remnants of ordnance, one of which bore the marking "ATU-35," similar to those on U.S. bombs.


A water tanker truck can be seen in both the video shot by APTN and the wedding tape obtained from a cousin of the groom.


The singing and dancing seems to go on forever at the all-male tent set up in the garden of the host, Rikad Nayef, for the wedding of his son, Azhad, and the bride Rutbah Sabah. The men later move to the porch when darkness falls, apparently taking advantage of the cool night weather. Children, mainly boys, sit on their fathers\' laps; men smoke an Arab water pipe, finger worry beads and chat with one another. It looks like a typical, gender-segregated tribal desert wedding.


As expected, women are out of sight - but according to survivors, they danced to the music of Hussein al-Ali, a popular Baghdad wedding singer hired for the festivities. Al-Ali was buried in Baghdad on Thursday.


Prominently displayed on the videotape was a stocky man with close-cropped hair playing an electric organ. Another tape, filmed a day later in Ramadi and obtained by APTN, showed the musician lying dead in a burial shroud — his face clearly visible and wearing the same tan shirt as he wore when he performed.


As the musicians played, young men milled about, most dressed in traditional white robes. Young men swayed in tribal dances to the monotonous tones of traditional Arabic music. Two children — a boy and a girl — held hands, dancing and smiling. Women are rarely filmed at such occasions, and they appear only in distant glimpses.


Kimmitt said U.S. troops who swept through the area found rifles, machine guns, foreign passports, bedding, syringes and other items that suggested the site was used by foreigners infiltrating from Syria.


The videotape showed no weapons, although they are common among rural Iraqis.


Kimmitt has denied finding evidence that any children died in the raid although a "handful of women" — perhaps four to six — were "caught up in the engagement."


"They may have died from some of the fire that came from the aircraft," he told reporters Friday.


However, an AP reporter obtained names of at least 10 children who relatives said had died. Bodies of five of them were filmed by APTN when the survivors took them to Ramadi for burial Wednesday. Iraqi officials said at least 13 children were killed.

   



Four days after the attack, the memories of the survivors remain painful — as are their injuries.

Haleema Shihab, 32, one of the three wives of Rikad Nayef, said that as the first bombs fell, she grabbed her seven-month old son, Yousef, and clutching the hands of her five-year-old son, Hamza, started running. Her 15-year-old son, Ali, sprinted alongside her. They managed to run for several yards when she fell — her leg fractured.

"Hamza was yelling, \'mommy,\'" Shihab, recalled. "Ali said he was hurt and that he was bleeding. That\'s the last time I heard him." Then another shell fell and injured Shihab\'s left arm.

"Hamza fell from my hand and was gone. Only Yousef stayed in my arms. Ali had been hit and was killed. I couldn\'t go back," she said from her hospital bed in Ramadi. Her arm was in a cast.

She and her stepdaughter, Iqbal — who had caught up with her — hid in a bomb crater. "We were bleeding from 3 a.m. until sunrise," Shihab said.

Soon American soldiers came. One of them kicked her to see if she was alive, she said.

"I pretended I was dead so he wouldn\'t kill me," said Shihab. She said the soldier was laughing. When Yousef cried, the soldier said: "\'No, stop," said Shihab.

Fourteen-year-old Moza, Shihab\'s stepdaughter, lies on another bed of the hospital room. She was hurt in the leg and cries. Her relatives haven\'t told her yet that her mother, Sumaya, is dead.

"I fear she\'s dead," Moza said of her mother. "I\'m worried about her."

Moza was sleeping on one side of the porch next to her sisters Siham, Subha and Zohra while her mother slept on the other end. There were many others on the porch, her cousins, stepmothers and other female relatives.

When the first shell fell, Moza and her sisters, Subha, Fatima and Siham ran off together. Moza was holding Subha\'s hand.

"I don\'t know where Fatima and my mom were. Siham got hit. She died. I saw Zohra\'s head gone. I lost consciousness," said Moza, covering her mouth with the end of her headscarf.

Her sister Iqbal, lay in pain on the bed next to her. Her other sister, Subha, was on the upper floor of the hospital, in the same room with two-year-Khoolood. Her small body was bandaged and a tube inserted in her side drained her liver.

Her ankle was bandaged. A red ribbon was tied to her curly hair. Only she and her older brother, Faisal, survived from their immediate family. Her parents and four sisters and brothers were all killed.

In all, 27 members of Rikad Nayef\'s extended family died — most of them children and women, the family said.
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Originally posted by luckee
I really want to get to the bottom of this incident more than any other.




Why?  How would this influence anyones opinion one way or the the other.  If you are against this war then it won\'t change and I for one won\'t change my opinion if it really was a wedding.  I strongly doubt we will ever know the truth.  It could have been a terrorist wedding.  That is a happy compromise between the two stories.    :rolleyes:
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Why?  How would this influence anyones opinion one way or the the other.  If you are against this war then it won\'t change and I for one won\'t change my opinion if it really was a wedding.  I strongly doubt we will ever know the truth.  It could have been a terrorist wedding.  That is a happy compromise between the two stories.    :rolleyes:


Why, Im curious.

Who said anything about influencing anyones opinions?

Stop trying to over analyze and argue with everything I post for once.
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Stop being so thin skinned.  Anytime you are questioned about a position you take you get defensive.  You more than anyone should know this forum isn\'t for the meek.

I am curious as to your curiousity on the matter.  Will it change anything if we did kill a bunch of people at a wedding party?  Will it change anything if we didn\'t?  The answer is the same for both.  No.
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It doesn\'t necessarily change anything, but it shows an area where the troops (another area, that is) would have to make drastic changes to their methods.  Being pro-war doesn\'t necessarily accompany a willingness to ignore innocent\'s rights to life.

Luckee... don\'t bother trying to discuss anything with Giga... he\'s ahhh... made up his mind about pretty much everything.
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I know FatalX and thats why I mostly ignore his narrow minded views on certain things.

Giga-as for you, this has nothing to do with thin skin. Leave things that dont belong out of this as they dont apply.

For the record again, what posistion did I take?
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Is that what those who oppose your views are called?  I would rather be narrowminded than have a lack of resolve...

Liberals usually label conservatives narrowminded - ironic considering that is a narrowminded view in itself.  luckee - you constantly answer questions I ask you with questions.  That is a good indicator of someone who knows nothing of what they speak.
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Will it change anything if we did kill a bunch of people at a wedding party?  Will it change anything if we didn\'t?  The answer is the same for both.  No.



The answer is no?

or more correctly the answer for YOU is no, the answer for the family of the people who went there to celebrate the wedding is most definitely YES.

your biggest worry today is dodging the boss as you chat in the internet while youre supposed to be working....try burying your dead brothers and sisters and listening to this bullshit from your indifferent lips...this sums up a lot of american feeling towards the middle east...if its not in your own back door then \'it wont change anything\'

how arrogant.

 

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