O\'Reilly vs Moore

[GmanJoe]

Anyone who says that the rich do not join the military is very misinformed.

The Navy Academy in Annapolis, Maryland is chockful of rich kids. Same with West Point and the Air Force Academy. Many of the graduates go on to officer duty in the military.

They deserve their salary because they went to school and got the training and education that is the requirement of a high paying job. A CEO of a Fortune 500 company doesn\'t work harder for his check than the janitor of the same company.
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huh? A janitor works just as hard as a CEO? Wow.... Ok listen everyone has a chance to go to college with no money its called a scholorship and work. If you dont get a scholorship you work. Rich people have the choice to pay there kids college since they obviously worked very hard to give that gift to his kids. You make it sound like poor people are damned to be janitors.

And I dont want to hear this Colin Powell shit. You never really answered my question. The RUSSIANS THE US AND THE BRITISH GAVE THE PRESIDENT A HUGE AMOUNT OF EVIDENCE THEY HAD WMD\'s. With that information it would have been a crime not to invade iraq. And now you must be saying where are the WMD\'s? Well we will find them eventually we\'ve had way to many old iraqi scientists say that he built them. In time we will find them and you will eat your own words.

[SirMystiq]

Originally posted by Hawken
They deserve their salary because they went to school and got the training and education that is the requirement of a high paying job. A CEO of a Fortune 500 company doesn\'t work harder for his check than the janitor of the same company.
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huh? A janitor works just as hard as a CEO? Wow.... Ok listen everyone has a chance to go to college with no money its called a scholorship and work. If you dont get a scholorship you work. Rich people have the choice to pay there kids college since they obviously worked very hard to give that gift to his kids. You make it sound like poor people are damned to be janitors.

And I dont want to hear this Colin Powell shit. You never really answered my question. The RUSSIANS THE US AND THE BRITISH GAVE THE PRESIDENT A HUGE AMOUNT OF EVIDENCE THEY HAD WMD\'s. With that information it would have been a crime not to invade iraq. And now you must be saying where are the WMD\'s? Well we will find them eventually we\'ve had way to many old iraqi scientists say that he built them. In time we will find them and you will eat your own words.

If the evidence was so strong as to say that Iraq did have the weapons, then wouldn\'t the inspectors find them sooner or later? And if so, why didn\'t Bush\'s Gov. show this hard factual evidence to UN instead of cramming the US military in there and losing so many lives only to later find out that the "evidence" was a bunch of bull shit. His own people were debating over the intelligence and that intelligence, the one you claim Russia and Britain gave the Bush Gov. what was the evidence anyways.

9/11 had nothing to do with the war in Iraq. So for a soldier to sign up after it would probably mean that they just wanted to get revenge over in Afghanistan, Iraq came a bit after that but because they were already enlisted they had no choice.

You talk about getting an education as if it were such an easy task. The military pushes the whole "we\'ll pay for your education" because they know that kid\'s that aren\'t lucky enough to get a scholarship and don\'t have jobs that can help them pay college tuition will be hypnotized to join up.

The majority of the military is made up of those kind of people and you\'ll be a damn liar to say otherwise.

Now they are dying b/c of a President that decided to attack with a blind fold. You say he had all this "evidence" and decided to act quickly about it. Hmm, where was this kind of enthusiasm before 9/11 and after all of those reports suggested a possible attack with airplanes?

Bin laden determined to attack inside the US.
Bin laden\'s kids in flight schools.
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Hmmmmm, anybody with a brain would of done something about that connection.

Originally posted by Hawken
huh? A janitor works just as hard as a CEO? Wow.... Ok listen everyone has a chance to go to college with no money its called a scholorship and work. If you dont get a scholorship you work. Rich people have the choice to pay there kids college since they obviously worked very hard to give that gift to his kids. You make it sound like poor people are damned to be janitors.

You seem to have missed the point of my post. I never said that poor people are "damned to be janitors". I said that people in high paying jobs deserve their checks because they went through the process necessary to get those jobs. I have no idea where you are going with that rich kids thing so I\'ll leave that alone.

If you read my post you will see that I am agreeing in that they "worked harder" to get their job. I am, however, disagreeing in the assumption that they STILL work harder for their check.

They bust their butt to get their job so that they don\'t have to bust their butt in the job. No one goes through 8 years of higher education in order to be a landscaper.

Originally posted by SirMystiq
If the evidence was so strong as to say that Iraq did have the weapons, then wouldn\'t the inspectors find them sooner or later?
You talk about getting an education as if it were such an easy task. The military pushes the whole "we\'ll pay for your education" because they know that kid\'s that aren\'t lucky enough to get a scholarship and don\'t have jobs that can help them pay college tuition will be hypnotized to join up.

The majority of the military is made up of those kind of people and you\'ll be a damn liar to say otherwise.

Now they are dying b/c of a President that decided to attack with a blind fold. You say he had all this "evidence" and decided to act quickly about it. Hmm, where was this kind of enthusiasm before 9/11 and after all of those reports suggested a possible attack with airplanes?

Bin laden determined to attack inside the US.
Bin laden\'s kids in flight schools.
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Hmmmmm, anybody with a brain would of done something about that connection.

The UN couldn\'t do its job in Iraq.  Why?  Partly because the Iraqi\'s put up smoke mirrors to prevent anything being found and secondly because of certain under the table ties a certain country that sits on the Security Council had with the former regime.

The military does not soley advertise the GI Bill as a reason to join up and if someone joins the military and thinks they are going to get a free ride they deserve what they get.  Stop with the defense that "poor kids" blah blah boo hoo...  you really don\'t understand.  Anyone can go to college with grades - Student Loans, Grants, Scholarships... there are many alternative to joining the military.  The military is not vastly made up of people who want "free" college either.  A good number never go to college because they don\'t want to.  The vast majority who have joined the military do so because they want to serve their country.   Now do everyone a favor and get off the "poor boy" kick you peasant. :rolleyes:

As far as the attacks of 9/11 are concerned - don\'t blame Bush, it took a long time to plan those attacks and most of the plans were done during Clinton\'s watch.

Dont give me that. People who sign up in the military know what they are getting into. There is no....... Ya they are fighting a war in iraq so ill sign up and Ill just stay here a train. If you really wanted an education and not protect your country then you would have joined the US Coast Guard or the Navy.

They bust their butt to get their job so that they don\'t have to bust their butt in the job. No one goes through 8 years of higher education in order to be a landscaper.
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Wow so what your saying is that they have a piss easy job now? CEO works much much harder than a janitor.

Office work is piss easy compared to manual labor. To say otherwise would be just wrong.

A CEO may have more responsibility and accountability but their job is not hard compared to most manual labor jobs.

Tell me exactly how a CEO works harder than a janitor. Make sure you focus on how their job is so much harder that they deserve hundreds of thousands more dollars.

If they got paid exactly the same, what job do you think people would take(desk jockey or janitor)?

I dont call being a janitor heavy manual labor. All you do is clean shit. This is the easy solution to this. Can a Janitor be a CEO? No, but can a CEO clean stuff? Yes a CEO can complete that easily. A CEO has to talk to a lot of people and has to know how to run a company. He has to do a lot of paperwork and make decisions. Dont even try to bring up that being a janitor is manual labor.

The reason a CEO knows how to run a company is because they earned their dues by getting the training and experience necessary to do so. THIS is why they get the big money.

It is not because they work harder.

All I am arguing is that a CEO does not work harder than the "plebeians" that work under him in the company. If hard work was a prerequesite for large paychecks the entire financial landscape of the world would look entirely diferent.

I suppose we have different opinions on hard work. I, for one, think that sitting at a desk and performing tasks that I have been trained to do for YEARS is easier than standing for eight hours and cleaning up everyone else\'s filth.

[videoholic]

If a janitor screws up and forgets to clean the piss drops off the seat the stock won\'t drop 10% and get investors to jump ship.

ROFL!!! Have you ever thought that maybe CEO\'s dont just run there company but they build them up. Many CEO\'s started from scratch.

[Bobs_Hardware]

Just because someones job isn\'t physically exhausting, doesn\'t mean that it isn\'t equally, or more so mentally exhausting. The stress levels of someone with that much responsibilty can be far more harmful (mentally and physically) than someone who digs holes and mixes concrete for a living.

That being said, the people with the high responsibility don\'t necessarily work harder, just.. differently.

Originally posted by videoholic
If a janitor screws up and forgets to clean the piss drops off the seat the stock won\'t drop 10% and get investors to jump ship.

They are responsible and need to be held accountable for what they do. That does not necessarily mean that they work "harder". Hard work, I suppose, is relative.

Originally posted by Hawken
ROFL!!! Have you ever thought that maybe CEO\'s dont just run there company but they build them up. Many CEO\'s started from scratch.

You are an idiot. What the hell does that have to do with ANYTHING?
:rolleyes:

Originally posted by Bobs_Hardware
Just because someones job isn\'t physically exhausting, doesn\'t mean that it isn\'t equally, or more so mentally exhausting. The stress levels of someone with that much responsibilty can be far more harmful (mentally and physically) than someone who digs holes and mixes concrete for a living.

That being said, the people with the high responsibility don\'t necessarily work harder, just.. differently.

That is probably the best way to put it and also end the discussion. Not harder just differently.

No point in arguing semantics.

Black Samurai you didnt even answer one of our questions once again.