Upcomming Election

Originally posted by Lord Nicon
Status doesnt always determine what you know and dont know about something you havent experienced so you cant really call it hypocrisy, but i know what you are saying.

Kerry saying he has answers to help the poor and Bush doesn\'t?  Sorry, but that is hypocritical.  Kerry has no more of a solution on how to help the poor than Bush does.  Kerry\'s idea is to raise taxes to help the poor.  That has been tried over and over again and it doesn\'t work.  

What I find so ironic in Kerry\'s "blue collar" rants is that he is wealthier than Bush and he is from old money in the Northeast.  If you know anything about this country - that kind of old money doesn\'t give a $hite about the working class, let alone have an answer to help them.

Originally posted by GigaShadow
His testimony before the Senate that claimed troops in Vietnam were guilty of war crimes - including troops under his command is fine, but at the same time he wants to be remembered as a war hero.  He can\'t have it both ways.  Either he himself is a war criminal along with everyone else or he is a war hero and betrayed his fellow veterans by testifying before the Senate with false accusations.

You can\'t have it both ways?

So if you save some of your comrades\' lives during the war you can\'t be considered a hero after the war because you talked about atrocities? That doesn\'t even make sense. It fits in with the GOP "You\'re either with us or against us", black-and-white, no shades of gray type of politics though.

Kerry has said that he committed crimes with "his own hands".  To portray yourself as a hero and then attack others for the same things you are guilty of is hypocritical is it not?

It would be hypocritical if he were doing them both at the same time. He didn\'t portray himself as a hero in the 60\'s and he is not attacking anyone today.

Still one doesn\'t cancel out the other. Performing a heroic act does not strike the crimes off the record and vice versa.

[EDIT] Check That. It would be MORE hypocritical.

Actually he is doing both - he said he does not regret his actions after the war just last week!

Originally posted by GigaShadow
Kerry saying he has answers to help the poor and Bush doesn\'t?  Sorry, but that is hypocritical.  Kerry has no more of a solution on how to help the poor than Bush does.  Kerry\'s idea is to raise taxes to help the poor.  That has been tried over and over again and it doesn\'t work.

I havent read into anything but all he said was that he\'d raise taxes to help the poor and thats it?

Originally posted by GigaShadow
What I find so ironic in Kerry\'s "blue collar" rants is that he is wealthier than Bush and he is from old money in the Northeast.  If you know anything about this country - that kind of old money doesn\'t give a $hite about the working class, let alone have an answer to help them.

Again with the wealthier than bush bit. Perhaps you are right but if a child born to racist parents can have black friends etc. then a richly raised man, such as Kerry could possibly know a little bit more than our buddy bush. Im not saying that this is true and of course anybody could or would say that the chances are slim for kerry to know any more than bush does on the subject.

A  lot of times, rich "old money" stiffs are republican. Of course thats debateable and partially a stereotype, but like many stereotypes, there are small truths in the statement. So to say that this semi liberalistic democrat is worse than bush just because of his background and wealth, is kinda silly (though i cant deny that there might be truths in saying so).  

Just kinda stirring things up.

[clips]

damn i kinda agree with giga on this one..only on the aspect of kerry sayin that he would raise taxes to balance the budget..now he didn\'t say that directly of course but if you listened to him carefully..that is what he\'s sayin..and i said all along that we don\'t need that s**t..*thinks of the jim florio years:rolleyes: *

i said it before,..i consider myself a dem..but kerry just isn\'t a stronger leader in my book,.. just because he\'s democratic does not automatically imply that he gets my vote,..just listen to kerry carefully..he feeds off whatever events are happening currently...if something bad happens..he\'ll say "well if i was president i would have done this or that" or i would have done it differently..but when asked about certain issues he would have basically done the same thing the current prez is doin now...

i\'m sorry but i can see clear through the bulls**t,..the war on iraq imo bush was wrong all the way around...but as far as his plans for the country are concerned, i\'m with him all the way..even tho cats (like me ) are criticizing him for iraq..he\'s stands firm on his judgement and is very decisive when it comes to decisions..what i mean by that is that he\'ll make a decision and stand by it,..

kerry is just not the stronger leader here folks plain and simple..oh and those tax cuts bush gave us also helps,..yea he wants to balance the budget,..but he also knows that the american people needed money in their pocket immediately..kerry wants to raise taxes to balance it...hey maybe bush is doin it too but i don\'t see it..raisin taxes is never a good thing...as much as i hate to say it,...or until another bill clinton comes along, there\'s nobody in the democratic party as of this moment strong enough to take bush..

after all the bulls**t that\'s goin down in iraq...kerry\'s numbers are still neck and neck with bushes,..any other candidate would have taken full advantage of that yet he squandered it...by not distingushing himself from his rival candidate..i swear when i first heard kerry spoke, he said nothing that would make me vote for him,..he actually sounded just like bush...

Clips - I have to commend you on your post - I know you don\'t like Bush, but you at least aren\'t clouded by the "anyone, but Bush" propaganda.  Kerry will not make this country any better and I really can\'t see him committing to a firm decision.  

Believe me, if I had another viable option other than Bush I would take it.

Like uh, Chuck Hagel?

That man\'s goona beat out Hillary in 2008. I\'m callin\' it right now.

See Yuz.

Wow clips didn\'t know you had it in you, lol.

[Titan]

Originally posted by clips
damn i kinda agree with giga on this one..only on the aspect of kerry sayin that he would raise taxes to balance the budget..now he didn\'t say that directly of course but if you listened to him carefully..that is what he\'s sayin..and i said all along that we don\'t need that s**t..*thinks of the jim florio years:rolleyes: *

i said it before,..i consider myself a dem..but kerry just isn\'t a stronger leader in my book,.. just because he\'s democratic does not automatically imply that he gets my vote,..just listen to kerry carefully..he feeds off whatever events are happening currently...if something bad happens..he\'ll say "well if i was president i would have done this or that" or i would have done it differently..but when asked about certain issues he would have basically done the same thing the current prez is doin now...

Not to mention his stances on certain issues change with the latest polls. I can\'t have a leader that is that loose that he changes his mind when the latest polls are against him or a bit different that what he wanted. What I admire about Bush is that he stands very firm on his beliefs and policies and doesn\'t reverse it simply because the latest poll was against him. That and I agree with Bush on everything except stem cell research and gay marriage. The ban on gay marriage will never pass so I\'m not worried but stem cell research I agree with and should get some funding from the government. Other than those, I agree with him. Its such a shame I cna\'t vote until December this year. I really was looking forward to it.

I do not believe Kerry acted on his own if he commited said atrocities.

They were military policiy, and that is what he protested against.

So let\'s just say he was pushed to do things by military policie, and then went on to protest against said policy.

Kerry\'s senate testimonys were not to bring down individual men, rather the entire policy in viet nam.

So it actually isn\'t hypocritical at all.

Just reading through this stuff...it\'s interesting.  

Originally posted by GigaShadow
What I find so ironic in Kerry\'s "blue collar" rants is that he is wealthier than Bush and he is from old money in the Northeast.  If you know anything about this country - that kind of old money doesn\'t give a $hite about the working class, let alone have an answer to help them.

I\'ve seen a tv show that was comparing the two, Bush and Kerry, and it said that Kerry himself is only worth approx. 4 million.  His wife however is worth over a billion.

Bush on the other hand is from old money and is reportedly worth approx 20 million.

Irrelevant but I thought I\'d throw it out there...