NYC/RNC Protests

Hmmm the republican convention....

I am sure that there is a law in physics that states that if you put that much evil into such a small area...you can create a blackhole.


Watched the coverage this morning and it was nothing but...

9/11
9/11
9/11

Kerry switching his view
Kerry switching his view
Kerry switching his view

then more

9/11
9/11
9/11

Thrown in for "good" measure.

/me vomits

Looks like there are quite a few rogue protesters out there creating trouble. I bet it\'s going to get worse.

Funny thing is, these people are enjoying their right to free speech but they would like nothing more to stop the convention in its tracks.

Oh well, when GWB wins they will all need therapy.

^^^Who needs therapy when he loses?

Originally posted by Black Samurai
^^^Who needs therapy when he loses?

If GWB loses any good conservative will look at it as a four year break and an opportunity come the next election. I don\'t think Kerry is the devil and I would imagine he would rise to occasion if another 9/11 happened. My fear is he will not do the things to stop it in the first place, IMO.

The left is truly bonkers when it comes to GWB even more so than the right was with Clinton. Don\'t get me wrong, the right hated Clinton but nothing like this. As far as I\'m concerned, if GWB wins, the lefty loonies we are watching now will get even more outrageous and we will all win. The entertainment value that will be had is worth a vote for Bush.

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/08/31/politics/campaign/31protest.html?ei=5006&en=a9ba78aba9c3fa99&ex=1094616000&partner=ALTAVISTA1&pagewanted=print&position=

August 31, 2004
CONFRONTATIONS
Protesters\' Encounters With Delegates on the Town Turn Ugly
By RANDAL C. ARCHIBOLD
 
utside a hotel in Times Square, delegates to the Republican National Convention were swarmed by protesters dressed in black and swearing at them. Blocks away, delegates engaged in shoving matches with protesters seeking to spoil their night at the theater. And outside "The Lion King" on 42nd Street, a delegate was punched by a protester who ran by.

Although the organized protests yesterday and Sunday have been largely peaceful, there has been a starkly different tone to smaller incidents in Midtown and elsewhere: angry encounters and planned harassment of convention delegates as they go out on the town.

Sometimes the delegates answer back in toe-to-toe, finger-pointing shouting matches. Other times the police, who are guarding delegate gatherings, have dispersed protesters, who move on to other locations to taunt other delegates.

The harassment of delegates came as organized protests continued to draw thousands of people. The Still We Rise march by advocates for social issues was peaceful, and a Poor People\'s March, a column several blocks long, proceeded from the United Nations to the Madison Square Garden yesterday after the police decided to let it go ahead without a permit.

When marchers approached the Garden, a police detective was knocked off his scooter. He was then repeatedly kicked and punched in the head by at least one male demonstrator, the police said.

The detective, William Sample, was listed in serious condition at St. Vincent\'s Manhattan Hospital, where Mayor Michael R. Bloomberg and Police Commissioner Raymond W. Kelly both visited him, the police said. There was no immediate word of an arrest in the assault, but as of 9 p.m., the police said there had been 11 protest-related arrests.

The heavy police presence at the Garden apparently inspired the coordinated plan by anarchists and other radicals to strike out at the delegates at their hotels, breakfasts, parties, and on the streets.

The incidents are the result of months of planning by opposition groups, who report that they have obtained copies of plans and addresses for delegates\' parties, caucuses and other gatherings outside the Garden.

Their efforts are aided by a support network that uses cellphone text messaging. Text message was also used extensively in a bike protest on Friday night and during demonstrations in Times Square on Sunday.

"CT delegation breakfast everyday @ Maison (7th ave & 53rd) from 7-8:30. Can we get some dissenters?" said one text message yesterday, apparently referring to the Connecticut delegation\'s plan to gather at a Midtown restaurant. "Maison has outdoor buffet. It would be direct contact with delegates."

One Internet discussion list used by protesters posted an advisory about where some delegate buses would be idling in Midtown every morning. Another message included phone numbers and e-mail addresses for convention officials and advised that delegate hotels would be busiest in the morning and evening.

The police are bracing for another round of unsanctioned demonstrations today, which protesters have designated a day of "nonviolent civil disobedience and direct action." Among the parties expected to be a target is the Tennessee delegation\'s gathering at Sotheby\'s. A group calling itself the Man in Black Bloc plans to protest it, saying it is angered that the convention intends to honor the late country singer Johnny Cash.

Yesterday, Jamie Moran, who lives in Brooklyn and describes himself as an anarchist and helps direct the rncnotwelcome.org Web site, was roaming Times Square with a band of protesters shouting at delegates. "These people are in a bubble," he said. "This is absolutely better than standing outside the Garden and shouting to let them know they are not welcome here."

As delegate buses arrived at the Garden yesterday afternoon, protesters who had gathered for a demonstration screamed obscenities and gestured rudely at them. When the police spotted Pete Coors, a Republican candidate for Senate from Colorado, walking near the group, they swiftly steered him away.

Clearly, the protesters were not deterred by entreaties by former Mayor Edward I. Koch that New Yorkers be nice and an offer by Mayor Michael R. Bloomberg to give peaceful protesters buttons and shopping discounts.

Adam Chase, 23, who said he came from Michigan for the protests, said that while he believed demonstrators should not be violent, "I think it is quite unfair for the R.N.C. and the delegates to tell us we should not be telling them we think they are exploiting the fears of the people."

Mindful that delegates are targets, police officers guard their hotels and ride aboard their chartered buses around town, and several receive police escorts to various events.

"New York City is a fortress, and I love it," Joseph Kyrillos, the New Jersey state Republican chairman, said yesterday at a delegate breakfast. "We need to thank the New York police for all the protection."

Leonardo Alcivar, a spokesman for the convention, said officials recommended that delegates not respond to heckling and taunts, which he said have been "few and far between."

Still, he said, "Our delegates understand the old adage, do unto others as they do unto you."

The tensest encounters between delegates and protesters so far occurred Sunday evening when large groups of demonstrators moved through the theater district while delegates were attending shows under arrangements prepared by convention planners. Several protesters were arrested for trying to block hotel and theater entrances, and face-to-face standoffs abounded.

Outside "Bombay Dreams" demonstrators shouted at and videotaped people standing outside for intermission.

At "Aida," a group of protesters unfurled a banner and hurled invective at delegates leaving the show. Some looked nervous, but a few shouted back, "You\'re sick, sick."

Delegates lined up to see "Phantom of the Opera" ended up in a sing-song, tit-for-tat with protesters. One protester shouted, "The phantom dies at the end."

Flora Rohrs, a delegate from Colorado, burst into song, "This is my country," with bits of "God Bless America" thrown in. She said, "What is going on here is we are still going to get George Bush re-elected."

For some, there was no escape even at dinner.

"A person came by and used an explicative and stuck his finger in our face," said Deb Etcheson, an alternate delegate from Iowa. "But I don\'t blame that on New Yorkers. I just love this city."

Some delegates seemed perplexed, even hurt, not because they did not expect protesters to be here, but because they did not expect them to get personal. "They were using foul language, getting real ugly," said Kim Kirkwood, a delegate from Amarillo, Tex. Her husband, Jim, said he could not understand it. "I have friends who are Democrats in Texas, and we talk about things, agree to disagree."


Reporting for this article was contributed by Anthony Ramirez, Marc Santora, Mary Spicuzza and Jennifer Steinhauer.



Copyright 2004 The New York Times Company

Originally posted by Black Samurai
Of course it is worth mentioning that in 1998 the poverty level was on the downswing while right now it is on the upswing.

1998 puts it right in the middle of Clinton\'s two terms - so to say it is result of the Presidents policies is idiotic.

Originally posted by SirMystiq

I don\'t know about you all, but it\'s more obvious that 9/11 has become the prime propaganda tool of the GOP instead of the disaster that was caused by a man in Afghanistan which is why we invaded Iraq.

Democrats have a movie. Republicans have a president that sat for 10 minutes as planes hit two buildings.

Of course 9/11 is going to used in the campaign - after all it did happen when Bush was in office and he was the one who everyone looked at to handle the crisis.  Dems are worried because they can\'t really say John Kerry did anything regarding 9/11 and certainly hasn\'t done anything to fight terrorism - I guess we just aren\'t sensitive enough. :rolleyes:  It is not propaganda - it is fact.  If it had happened under Clinton\'s watch you wouldn\'t be whining.  

If you would have watched any of the convention last night especially John Mccain and Rudy Guilliani\'s speeches you would understand why we are fighting these wars.

Your 10 minute statement is also misleading.  What do you expect Bush to do?  Could he have prevented the second plane from hitting the other tower?  Hardly.  I also don\'t understand your statement regarding the movie and the 10 minutes.  

Oh what was your pal Michael Moore doing at the RNC last night anyway?  Probably looking for more soundbites to edit for his next propaganda film.  I personally loved it when McCain slammed him and the crowd when nuts for 5 minutes chanting four more years at that fat slob.

Anyway, great speeches last night and I am sure Laura Bush and the Tutenator will be giving awesome speeches tonight as well.

Watching the McCain speech now and I think it\'s great!

Originally posted by ooseven
Hmmm the republican convention....

I am sure that there is a law in physics that states that if you put that much evil into such a small area...you can create a blackhole.


Watched the coverage this morning and it was nothing but...

9/11
9/11
9/11

Kerry switching his view
Kerry switching his view
Kerry switching his view

then more

9/11
9/11
9/11

Thrown in for "good" measure.

/me vomits

You obviously watched the liberal edited version.  

1.  The convention is being held in NY the site of 9/11
2.  Bush was President during 9/11 so why wouldn\'t he use it in his platform?  Terrorism and national security are priorities for both the Dems and the Repubs.  Who is the Green Party\'s candidate again?  
3.  Kerry does not have a firm stance on anything.  Look at his record - as if you knew anything about American politics anyway. :rolleyes:

Originally posted by GigaShadow
You obviously watched the liberal edited version.  

1.  The convention is being held in NY the site of 9/11
2.  Bush was President during 9/11 so why wouldn\'t he use it in his platform?  Terrorism and national security are priorities for both the Dems and the Repubs.  Who is the Green Party\'s candidate again?  
3.  Kerry does not have a firm stance on anything.  Look at his record - as if you knew anything about American politics anyway. :rolleyes:

1) well Duhhhhh :rolleyes:

2) Yeah and after watching 5 minutes of Former New York mayor Rudy Giuliani speech I lost count of the number of time he said 9/11 or mentioned it.


I also watched it on the BBC Parliament channel which gave the FULL speech unbroken(with NO adverts because it was on the BBC) Also there was no commentary from the BBC …just the whole speech in full speech.

3) Ah atlest it better then laying to get your Way.....Ah still no WMD found...also haven\'t you guys found Bin Landen yet ? :rolleyes:

[GmanJoe]

ooseven, WMD was Saddam Hussien. Just like Hitler was for Germany. Remember, the US saved yer tea sipping asses. Otherwise, you\'d be a goose stepping fat Nazi by now.

[clips]

Originally posted by GmanJoe
ooseven, WMD was Saddam Hussien. Just like Hitler was for Germany. Remember, the US saved yer tea sipping asses. Otherwise, you\'d be a goose stepping fat Nazi by now.

geez just because that may be true about hitler and ww2..that doesn\'t justify the u.s. invadin iraq...and no saddam wasn\'t the wmd...just because we are the u.s. does not always make us right in every decision we make...

Originally posted by ooseven
2) Yeah and after watching 5 minutes of Former New York mayor Rudy Giuliani speech I lost count of the number of time he said 9/11 or mentioned it.


 

Considering the convention is in NY and considering Guilliani was the mayor and considering how many lives were lost - he has every right to say 9/11 as many times as he wants.  So soon our supposed friends forget about our tragedy.  

:rolleyes:

Originally posted by clips
geez just because that may be true about hitler and ww2..that doesn\'t justify the u.s. invadin iraq...and no saddam wasn\'t the wmd...just because we are the u.s. does not always make us right in every decision we make...

We were right about Iraq.  Without going into a lot of detail, John McCain said it best in that if we would have done nothing and kept the status quo - Saddam would have rearmed himself and it would have been a much larger problem later on - see North Korea if you have any doubts.

Originally posted by GigaShadow
Considering the convention is in NY and considering Guilliani was the mayor and considering how many lives were lost - he has every right to say 9/11 as many times as he wants.  So soon our supposed friends forget about our tragedy.  

:rolleyes:

It is the left that makes the mere mention of 9/11 a political football and it makes me sick. So many people died that die and not to mention it does them a disservice.

It\'s part of their plan to make us forget that day and that would be the biggest mistake this country can ever make.