Faces of the Fallen

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Originally posted by GigaShadow
Iran and Syria are terrorist states.  N. Korea sells stuff to terrorist states.  

You can\'t negotiate with any of those three.

now you\'re just bein silly..i we got into before over n.korea and you even stated not exactly like this but it was along these lines"hey we can\'t bomb n.korea if there\'s a chance they might have nukes..we have to deal with each country differently"...i believe  that is the stance you took...

i was bein critical of the u.s. for bombing iraq when it wasn\'t really sure if saddam had weapons or not..n.korea on the other hand was makin\' threats all over the place and the u.s. responds with.."we\'ll deal with n.korea diplomatically" :rolleyes: yes ultimately it makes sense not to call a countries bluff and i realise that but surely you must agree that you must negoiate with at least iran & n.korea...they both have formiable armies and neither is as weak as iraq...

While North Korea may be the most "open" to discussions - the other two are not - to believe they are is just naive.  Also - don\'t overrate Iran militarily - their army would collapse almost as quickly as Saddam\'s.

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Originally posted by GigaShadow
While North Korea may be the most "open" to discussions - the other two are not - to believe they are is just naive.  Also - don\'t overrate Iran militarily - their army would collapse almost as quickly as Saddam\'s.

so you really think the u.s. can do another pre-emptive strike on iran?..and syria for that matter? even if they wanted too..it would cause so much uproar in the muslim community and in the international world that i believe that these rogue countries might actually find an ally in russia, france or germany...

what i mean is that these countries might secretly supply those rogue countries to fight us...the point i\'m making is that i don\'t feel that the world is gonna sit back while the u.s. pre-emps on anyone it seems fit...regardless of how big france\'s army is or russia army is..i believe action of some sort would take place if the u.s. did that...possibly world war?

this is all of course hypothetical...but what i know for a fact is that the u.s. in it\'s current condition cannot fight a war on four fronts...

So you are willing to sit around and wait to be attacked again.  Our military is more capable than than you think.

The fact is what is the rest of the world going to do about it if we pre-emp?  Nothing.  Russia has already stated to some degree they will do the same thing.

How many Iraqi "terrorists" have died so far?
The civilian number is somewhere around 13000?

War has gone far, in the old days thousands of soldiers would be killed in a few minutes.

And how have those 13000 or so died?  Lets see - killed by fellow Iraqis, car bombs, mortar attacks, robberies and those caught in the cross fire between militants and US forces.  

I would say it looks like they are reaping what they sow.

The Associated Press
BAGHDAD, Iraq--At Sheik Omar Clinic, a big book records 10,363 violent deaths in Baghdad and nearby towns since the war began last year--deaths caused by car bombs, clashes between Iraqis and coalition forces, mortar attacks, revenge killings and robberies.

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Originally posted by GigaShadow
So you are willing to sit around and wait to be attacked again.  Our military is more capable than than you think.

The fact is what is the rest of the world going to do about it if we pre-emp?  Nothing.  Russia has already stated to some degree they will do the same thing.

hmmm..i know our military is capable,..but at some point the air campaign eventually turns to a boots campaign..with all the superior air power the u.s. has eventually you\'re going to have to send in troops to clean up the mess and that is where it gets ugly...now times this scenario by four or five...yea that\'s alot of american lives and that\'s something i guarantee the u.s. citizens would not put up with..add to the fact that we would probably do this alone...

i never said sit back and wait..but you can\'t just go around attackin\' countries who you feel MIGHT attack you...that\'s just bein a paranoid maniac...adjust some of those foreign policies a bit...that\'s where they need to start..and focus on afganastan...the plan here is to get along..even if we don\'t like each other there should be policies in place that even if we don\'t like this country or that country there are policies in place to keep the peace on both fronts....

Paranoia is just a heightened state of awareness.

Originally posted by GigaShadow
And how have those 13000 or so died?  Lets see - killed by fellow Iraqis, car bombs, mortar attacks, robberies and those caught in the cross fire between militants and US forces.  

I would say it looks like they are reaping what they sow.

The Associated Press
BAGHDAD, Iraq--At Sheik Omar Clinic, a big book records 10,363 violent deaths in Baghdad and nearby towns since the war began last year--deaths caused by car bombs, clashes between Iraqis and coalition forces, mortar attacks, revenge killings and robberies.

Yep.. and a few US bombs/missiles here and there.

The triggering factor for the 13 000 dead was.. oh, an invasion.

And a just one at that.

I dont need to see all the fallen Marines I\'ve known to have been KIA, I know who they are and I will always remember.
Good thread though. Dont forget.
RIP Sgt Cook
LCpl Burke
Cpl Salas

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To reply on North Korea. They aren\'t as big of a threat as they say they are. They know they can\'t face us in a war. Their economy is on the verge of collapse. Just a few months in a war, the whole country would go bankrupt. They know this and so do we so we feel they aren\'t a threat to us, even though they continue to threaten. Iraq, however, has a more stable economy with a ruler that we know has chemical weapons, was a threat to countries around him, and had weapons that were capable of reaching US Allied countries. Doesn\'t it make more sense to attack a country that is a threat to the region and more stable than a country that is on the verge of collapse?

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i have to respectfully disagree with you there titan..n.korea was a threat to s.korea our ally,...the u.s. is not really sure if they have nukes or not..plus any pre-emp strike by us on them might get china involved since n.korea is kinda under their wing...now the u.s knew it could take iraq..their army was nothing..and the missles that were found..were old as hell and inoperative...

they totally did a 180 when it came to n.korea..while n.korea was makin threats..iraq was letting inspectors in..bush stated it was too late and to prepare for the shock & awe campaign :rolleyes: what the hell is shock & awe?! an awesome display of the u.s. superior military might?..that was extreme arrogance on the u.s. part and now are reaping was they sew....

Originally posted by Titan
Are you in Iraq now or did you just get back?

I\'m in Japan, but they got sent to Iraq....Truth be told I\'d rather be out there too.

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Originally posted by i_killed_ur_dog
I\'m in Japan, but they got sent to Iraq....Truth be told I\'d rather be out there too.

You mean you\'d rather be in Iraq fighting?