Expiration of the Assault Weapons Ban: 9/13/04

I disagree on that point.  Terrorists will not go about purchasing assault weapons legally.  They would have to go through a background check which I am sure they don\'t want to have to do.  Also, one must remember box cutters were used as deadly weapons in the last terrorist attack.  Once again these "assault" weapons sound more deadly than they really are.  What was really banned:

1.  Bayonet mounts
2.  Flash suppressors
3.  Grenade launchers - already illegal
4.  Folding or telescoping stock

That only applies to the semi automatic versions.

The fully automatic weapons are still very hard to obtain:

1.  6 month or longer FBI background check
2.  State approval
3.  Local law enforcement approval
4.  ATF approval
5.  Registration of weapon

You act as though one can easily obtain one of these through legal means.  I would also like to point out that the DC Sniper was using a "banned" weapon...  yeah the ban works. :rolleyes:

Kerry still could have led a call to ban assault rifles on the Senate floor instead of blaming Bush - he should have done his job.  Typical finger pointing.

As I recall, the DC sniper\'s weapon was NOT banned.  It was a slightly modified version of a banned weapon which the manufacturer renamed or modified to skirt the law.  That\'s why I think we should have a stricter law than we had before, to make sure that weapons which were intended for military use are not sold to civilians.

BTW you missed my point about the terrorists.  I\'m not suggesting that terrorists would buy assault rifles in the US legally.  Obviously they would buy them on the black market or steal them.  What I\'m saying is that having these assault weapons available to consumers also increases their proliferation in illegal markets.  Most are first sold legally, observing our weak laws requiring background checks and waiting periods...  but some of those weapons first sold legally will eventually make their way to criminals through theft and oversight.  Having a legal method of buying the weapons increases the overall supply in the US, which increases the illegal supply as well.  It would be much better to cut off the supply at the source, by refusing to allow US manufacturers to build them, and refusing to allow any importation of foreign made assault weapons.

The danger is not just from weapons that can fire in full automatic mode.  (Even though many semi-autos can be easily modified to do it).  Remember that assault rifles are also defined as having a longer heavier round, larger magazine, and greater range.  Assault rifles and submachine guns have application for sport shooting or hunting.  They serve no purpose for civilians, and we shouldn\'t allow them in our society.

I don\'t blame Bush for this.  He\'s trying to cover his ass as best he can by avoiding the issue.  I blame the Republican party as a whole for climbing in the pocket of the NRA.  I get a huge laugh everytime a Republican rails against the influence of "special interests..."  while the NRA wields incontestable influence over every one of them.

Where were the Dems?  Its not like they couldn\'t have made this an issue in Congress.  Also, not every Republican votes along party lines.  I am sure if there was enough opposition on the Dem side of the aisle they could have lured a few moderate Republicans over to their side.

Obviously it wasn\'t important to either party.

So if I moved to the US and became a citizen I could by a P90 for household use ?


Bush For PREZZZzzzzz !

[Titan]

Originally posted by Coredweller
Then tell me why drugs are illegal, and assault weapons are not?

What you\'re saying is crazy.  Basically you\'re saying that we have a choice between allowing dangerous military weapons to be sold to civilians in the US, increasing the supply available to criminals, OR making them illegal, and forcing criminals to smuggle them in from other countries, making it enormously more difficult and expensive for those criminals to obtain them.  Oh well, they\'re going to get them anyway, so why bother making it harder for them?

Do you seriously believe that?

Dude, you are saying stuff I said that I didn\'t. I never said that it wouldn\'t make it harder or easier. I know banning them would make it harder for criminals to get them and I do agree with the ban. I was just saying that the assault rifles will make it in the country no ban or not. You are just putting words in my mouth.

Originally posted by ooseven
So if I moved to the US and became a citizen I could by a P90 for household use ?


Bush For PREZZZzzzzz !

Tony Blair Rules!!!!!!

British by Birth
English by the Grace of God!

Isn\'t that how it goes ooseven?

In answer to your question - no you couldn\'t own one.

Originally posted by GigaShadow
Tony Blair Rules!!!!!!

British by Birth
English by the Grace of God!

Isn\'t that how it goes ooseven?

In answer to your question - no you couldn\'t own one.

giga...just a little tip for you..

Blair is the leader of our socialist party and WE all hate him.

the only reason why he is still in power is because the opposition is PISS poor.

Dictatorship by Proxi

/me vomits.

Blair is the best thing to happen to Britain since Margaret Thatcher.

The Green Party will never be in a position of national power - even you, Der Kommisar have to admit that.

Is it true that a majority of the American people are for a ban on the assault weapons?

I feel sorry for the US Police Force. We\'ve seen here what a assault rifle in the wrong hands can do (Mattias Flinc shot down 7 people in 1994 with a AK5).

Originally posted by Titan
Dude, you are saying stuff I said that I didn\'t. I never said that it wouldn\'t make it harder or easier. I know banning them would make it harder for criminals to get them and I do agree with the ban. I was just saying that the assault rifles will make it in the country no ban or not. You are just putting words in my mouth.

Why don\'t you make your point clearer next time.  The content of your post, along with the previous post, suggested that you were refuting the need for a ban.  I don\'t think it would be strange to read it that way.

Originally posted by fastson
Is it true that a majority of the American people are for a ban on the assault weapons?

I feel sorry for the US Police Force. We\'ve seen here what a assault rifle in the wrong hands can do (Mattias Flinc shot down 7 people in 1994 with a AK5).

Yes its true, but at the same time this is a big deal over nothing.  It really won\'t matter if there is a ban or there isn\'t a ban.  However, it will make Core feel as safe as the French at Dien Bien Phu if there is a ban.

(I fully expect that joke to fly over most people\'s heads)

Originally posted by fastson
Is it true that a majority of the American people are for a ban on the assault weapons?

I feel sorry for the US Police Force. We\'ve seen here what a assault rifle in the wrong hands can do (Mattias Flinc shot down 7 people in 1994 with a AK5).

Yes, 68% of US citizens, 1/3 of NRA members, and pretty much every police office in America supports this ban, yet the NRA controls the agenda on these issues.  I seriously think perhaps the NRA should be outlawed as a threat to our public safety.  They need to consider their choices more carefully, and return to reality in their policies.  They are out of control.

I think what\'s going to happen is someone will go on a rampage with a legally purchased AK-47, or a pistol using a 20 round clip, and then this whole thing will blow up in their faces.  You know it\'s probably going to happen...

Do you have any idea about what your talking about ?

Mr Blair is the Worse thing to happen to our country in a long while.

all you lot see is his lap dog antics in the war on terror.

While over here he is crippling our country with political correctness and bureaucracy.

That\'s when he\'s not to busy trying to sell us all out to the European union aka the second new world order

ooseven you sound more like a nationalist than a socialist... hey maybe you are a national socialist!  

Originally posted by Coredweller

I think what\'s going to happen is someone will go on a rampage with a legally purchased AK-47, or a pistol using a 20 round clip, and then this whole thing will blow up in their faces.  You know it\'s probably going to happen...

Funny you say that... it already happened when the ban was in effect.

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